Subject: Re: [harryproa] safely using Drogues and Para Anchors
Date: 2/14/2006, 8:40 PM
To:, jerry freedomev

Drogues go from the stern. Parachute anchors go from the bow.
In a proa using a drogue means you will have to change ends when you shunt.
When anchoring you don't need to change tack.

How about with a harry, hanging the parachute off the windward hull,
lying beam
on to the waves and protecting from wave induced capsize. Perhaps
but safe?
Paul Nudd

Quoting jerry freedomev <>:

>               Hi PC and All,
>                        I see little reason to lay beam to the seas as
> uncomfortable and exposes your sides to the full force of the
> breaking waves, not smart. You will not catch me like that.  Using 2
> at a time, even from different bows/sterns is asking for trouble
> entangling them also.
>                       With multihulls you need to face the/a bow into
> the wind/waves for a comfortable, safe rest while the storm passes. 
> During one hurricane, I had to keep openning the hatch to see if the
> storm was still there it was so peaceful inside despite the 80mph
> winds outside.
>                       Also using too large a drogue/para dia sea
> anchor just puts unnessasary forces on your boat. Around 6-8' on a
> 30' proa should be enough though every boat is different.
>                     If adding up the lengths of proas designed,
> built, I'd be hitting about 120' so far. Cats I'm in the thousand
> feet+ range.
>                    One of the best things about cats, tris and proas
> is you can anchor in open roadsteads in waves and be comfortable
> where in a monohull you will roll your guts out. This along with
> shallow draft makes these craft the best for serious cruising, live
> aboard that I did for 20 yrs.  My last was a proa and probably the
> next one too.
>                    Is there a website with why Harry? does his Proas
> his way? I'm interested why he uses a much longer leward hull and
> would like to see his rudder arrangements.
>                    Intro,   I did Proas many yrs ago before they were
> cool, always admiring the Malibu Outrigger tacking Proa from the
> early 60's and after building many mono's/Cats/tris, seeing Russ
> Brown's first cruising proa just after it was built, I thought I
> could do better as usual and built a series of tacking proas that
> worked great. Steve Brown, Russ' brother and I built cats, tris ,
> proas and other strange boats at the time together, 80's, in Key
> West, Fla, USA.
>                    And yes both Steve and his brother Russ had a
> large advantage growing up with their father and his designing,
> sailing friends as they were like fish in the water, great on
> designing, building boats.
>                                        HTH's,
>                                              Jerry Dycus
> proaconstrictor <> wrote:
>  Anyone have any ideas or experiences (second hand welcome) of drogues
> or para anchors on pros?
> The thing I like about the proa platform is that sometimes folks
> carry both drogues and anchors, deploying one off the the stern and
> the other off the bow.  Starting with the drogue and moving to the
> para if conditions worsen.  This can lead to complications with
> reversing the boat to get the para out even as conditions are ramping
> up.  The obvious point being a proa is lonigtudinally symetrical, and
> therefore one can throw the drag device off of either end.  The boats
> and rig are also symetrically placed.
> There may be bad news also such as the uneven windage on the hulls
> once streaming the drag device.
> Any thoughts about how this could work, broadly from attachment
> points to lights to storage and deployment, all idea welcome?
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