Subject: [harryproa] Re: safely using Drogues and Para Anchors
From: "Robert" <cateran1949@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 2/19/2006, 7:18 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

What I like about the combination of a Harry and a jordan series
drogue is that if you want to slow the boat to almost a stop, ie a
para anchor, then you merely pay out more elements to you get to the
same total area of the equivalent para chute anchor.

There has been derision about anchoring from the stern without a
solid explanation why. On some boats it is quite successful and much
more comfortable in that it reduces yawing.
(I have been one of those fishermen who have fished in the Tasman sea
for a living)
Regards,
Robert



--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Mike Crawford <jmichael@g...>
wrote:
>
> <<A drogue is to slow the boat down and keep it moving slowly in
the
> desired direction and keep it pointing in the right direction i.e.
> broach prevention. >>
>
>   Definitely.
>
>   My goal would be simply to keep the boat upright and facing
windward
> with as little stress as possible, so I'd either go for drogues or
an
> undersized parachute.  Probably drogues because there are so many
> redundant pieces, making them less prone to fouling or failure.
>
>   This would be the case regardless of the orientation of the boat
> (either bows to weather or windward hull to weather, a separate
debate
> to which there has already been plenty of activity).
>
>   I'd keep a real parachute anchor on board just in case I needed
to
> minimize leeward drift, but use it only when absolutely necessary.
>
>
> <<A parachute anchor is to anchor the boat. It should keep the boat
> stationary relative to the body of water. Who would anchor their
boat
> from the stern?>>
>
>   I agree with you that anchoring a boat from the stern could be
> foolish.  Anchoring the boat and taking the force of the storm aft
would
> be looking for trouble.  I'll buy the argument that keeping the
stern
> windward could work IF you're still actively moving leeward and
slowly
> drifting up wave faces (using the directional stability of the bow
to
> keep the boat in line).  But only with drogues.
>
>   This is where I'll differ with someone's previous post.  One
actually
> can move leeward, through the water, when using drogues.  That's
the
> point.  Just because waves move leeward does not mean that all the
water
> itself is moving leeward.  Waves are simply a surface feature
created by
> the wind, and do not represent a moving current.  In fact, as some
have
> pointed out, they can be against the current.    You can still move
> through the water leeward even as waves overtake you.
>
>   Fortunately bow vs stern would appear to be a non issue with the
> proas.  The question is how much you want to slow your progress
leeward
> and/or how much force you want pulling your boat into the proper
> orientation.
>
>
> <<Professional fishers make significant ground to windward off the
east
> coast of Australia by harnessing the southerly current using a
parachute
> anchor. >>
>
>   Neat.  That's either convenient, gutsy, or crazy, depending upon
the
> weather.  My hat is off to anyone who works for a living in the
Southern
> Ocean, Bering Sea, or North Sea.  I'm not that brave.

>
>        - Mike
>
>
> nudd@o... wrote:
>
> > More confusion.
> > A parachute anchor is an anchor, not a drogue.
> > Different devices, different purposes.
> > A drogue is to slow the boat down and keep it moving slowly in
the
> > desired
> > direction and keep it pointing in the right direction i.e. broach
> > prevention.
> > A parachute anchor is to anchor the boat. It should keep the boat
> > stationary
> > relative to the body of water. Who would anchor their boat from
the
> > stern?
> > Professional fishers make significant ground to windward off the
east
> > coast of
> > Australia by harnessing the southerly current using a parachute
anchor.
> > PN
> >
>






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