Subject: [harryproa] Re: Bains Harry to NZ
From: "Robert" <cateran1949@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 12/27/2006, 8:19 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

No hurry, looking foward to seeing how she sails into a bit of a sea
Hopefuly more reliable than the Sydney Hobart fleet.

Looking at the square topped mains on some of the Sydney Hobart
fleet. With the puchase so far out they could almost be classed as a
gaff and lift their canting keels a little more to ww and you have a
ballasted multihull.

So far one sunk and a couple dismasted in moderate conditions, and
they reckon multihulls aren't seaworthy.

Robert

--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, <mark@...> wrote:
>
> Bain won't be sailing the Harry across the Tasman for a while yet.
We are
> hoping to get over the bar and sail her next week weather
depending. It will
> be coastal sailing for a while.
>
> Mark
>
>
> ...................................
> Mark Stephens
> www.harryproa.com <http://www.harryproa.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
[mailto:harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au] On
> Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 December 2006 11:07 PM
> To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Bains Harry to NZ
>
>
>
> -May be able to make the trip if extra crew wanted,
> Robert-- In harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%
40yahoogroups.com.au>
> ps.com.au, "Rob Denney" <proa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Agreed, it is a nice boat. He has the covered cockpit which I
> thought would be awful, but it looks very good. No idea of his
> plans, you are top of the list behind me for the crew job. Arrival
> will be at Whangerei, I think.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Baltaxe
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
ps.com.au
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: [harryproa] Re: Schooner v. Unariglike
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob
> >
> > I had a quick look at Bain's boat last Easter and it is
> everything I hoped a Harry would be. When is Bain planning to sail
it
> across to NZ and is he (still) looking for crew? At the very least,
> I'll try to be on the beach to greet him with a bottle of Champers.
> >
> > Enjoy
> > Jim Baltaxe
> > ITS Desktop Support
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > NEW ZEALAND
> > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
> >
> > I suffer from mental incontinence.
> >
> > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within.
> > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research,
> would it?" -- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> > From: harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
> ps.com.au
> [mailto:harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
> ps.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Denney
> > Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 3:02 a.m.
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
ps.com.au
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Schooner v. Unariglike
> >
> >
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Interesting stuff, particularly about the rig.
> >
> > We can offer most of what you require in a 12m harry,
> http://www.harrypro <http://www.harryproa.com/harry.htm>
a.com/harry.htm
> although the rig may not be as
> efficient as yours without the addition of running backstays to
> maintain forestay tension. These would be mounted on the boom, and
> would only be required in moderate to strong breezes upwind. Of
> course, if you were willing to accept slightly less pointing angle
> they could be left off, at least until you encounter another boat
> going to windward.
> >
> > The harry built in our shed by Bain Robinson was launched last
> week. Everyone so far is impressed, but until we do some sailing
> trials we will not know for sure. There will be pictures of this on
> the web page in the very near future, hopefully including some of
it
> sailing.
> >
> > If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: brag_rotor
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
ps.com.au
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:53 AM
> > Subject: [harryproa] Re: Schooner v. Unariglike
> >
> >
> > Fair comment, Rob.
> >
> > I probably overreacted to their website, you're the designer,
> > grab whatever info helps you push back the frontiers of the
> > possible.
> >
> > And thanks for your kind words.
> >
> > Yes, Tiki 30s can be very quick, but we've probably been lucky
> > in the boats we met in anger. We seem to out-sail other Tiki
> 30s to
> > windward, seemed a bit closer to them off the wind, but still
> faster.
> >
> > To be fair most cruising skippers don't seem to care about
> speed, but
> > for me it's a safety item in reserve - being able to find
> shelter at
> > the expense of a few bumpy hours at speed rather than taking
> a few
> > days bashing in a storm. Well that's the theory.
> >
> > The research we did before buying the plans is 11 years ago,
> > so I'm not sure about numbers like the wetted area (relatively
> > large) and we do stick to the water in a near-calm more than
> > say) a mono like a J30, but once powered up we can beat those
> > monos - in my experience.
> >
> > Why?
> > 12.5 to 1 hulls help, the reasonably low aero drag on the
> > hulls compared with the 'accommodation cruisers' has to be
> important,
> > the comparitive lack of wires holding the rig up also must
> help.
> >
> > My own fetish for keeping weight ashore rather than aboard
> makes
> > some difference (but less than you'd expect going to
> windward).
> >
> > Positioning the load in the hulls is critical: the best
> results
> > are obtained with the bare (empty) boat waterline at the bow
> used
> > as a reference when loading. The bows must not be immersed
> much
> > more than this, the load should depress the stern, not the
> bow.
> >
> > Although lashed together in true Wharram fashion, we use
> Spectra
> > lashings that stretch not a lot. Jacking up one stern causes
> the
> > other to rise when less than 5mm lift has occurred on the
> first.
> >
> > We employ maximum mast rake, as far back as the box allows,
> and
> > this really matters to windward.
> >
> > Having said all that, the Tiki 30 was intended primarily as a
> safe and
> > seaworthy boat that any fool could build, and it is. Oh yes.
> >
> > We had an 'interesting' Biscay first attempt. Scared me
> silly, but
> > the boat was unimpressed. My crew (Pete Kyne, skipper
> of 'Dignity' a
> > Pahi 31) said that he'd cheerfully set sail in a full force 8
> so long
> > as it was going our way, in a Tiki 30. He it was who took us
> 135 NM
> > in 10 hours and popped us out ahead of the storm front so
> effectively
> > that we had to motor into Brest at 5 knots (7.2 knots max on
> 5hp, but
> > we were low on fuel by then) That should give you a feel for
> the hull
> > drag performance.
> >
> > Oh yes, bottom paint. CopperBot (as it then was) and now
> CopperCoat;
> > copper epoxy formulations that do just what they say on the
> tin. Can't
> > buy it in boatyards or chandlers here. Why would they sell you
> > something that means you haul out and repaint only after 6
> years?
> >
> > The rig is still a big element in my view. That sleeve luff
> with a
> > genoa set with its trailing edge in the maximum depression
> zone of the
> > main - measured with a manomoter. Spent a lot of time looking
> at the
> > theory and devising elastic vangs and things that let the
> gaff twist
> > off in a gust, so we can carry sail more safely in a blow.
> >
> > Setting the sail twist matters of course, as does tuning the
> slot for
> > the genoa, but with a 4-sided main you can pretty much
> reshape it to
> > order, no hassle. And no boom! And - a big safety bonus imho -
> it
> > is painless to reef the main downwind. No poxy cars or slides
> to
> > jam, and only vestigial battens - enough to flatten the leech
> a bit
> > and prevent curl.
> >
> > One of our light-air extras is a 3-sided bimini (or trimini)
> that used
> > to end-plate the main pretty well, but it's getting old and
> baggy like
> > the skipper, since acrylic canvas is not really meant for
> this task.
> >
> > We also carried a home-brew thing that was an evil hybrid
> between a
> > screacher and a lugsail - made of polytarp and it blew out
> pretty
> > quick, but it pulled like a tractor!
> >
> > The cruising chute is unused, since it is still too full
> after 2
> > recuts - we bring the wind forward of the beam too easily for
> it to be
> > any use. Have a tatty old spinny off a mono for dead
> downwind, but
> > very rarely use that since it pays to gybe, and the breeze
> across the
> > deck keeps us cool.
> >
> > So what are we doing here if we have this wonder-boat? Well,
> it was
> > only meant as a training exercise to get master mate up to
> speed, but
> > as is so often, affection has grown over the years.
> >
> > We need wider bunks, and a table to eat at, and a stand up
> galley, and
> > a shower below decks, and a *few* more comforts now we are
> ageing
> > disgracefully.
> >
> > To get that in an avilable cat we are looking at over 40 feet
> and many
> > tons that will need a proportionally large rig, large
> winches, and so
> > on. Don't like the implications of that. Weight is the enemy.
> Might
> > be possible at lower weight with a biplane rig.... but wait,
> what
> > about a proa? <grin>
> >
> > We have lived/cruised fine on a 1 ton payload, including
> weight of
> > engine, anchors, rode, cooker, gas, etc. We've proved that.
> >
> > So, say, 1.5 tons represents luxury to us! Olly wants her
> comforts -
> > like a 5 foot by 7 foot bunk, I need more headroom over it
> that so I
> > can sit up and read in the bunk, a dining area (and separate
> nav area
> > too) and we want/need a boat that pleases us both equally.
> That's only
> > fair, since we'll be sharing it. Rig needs to be easy and
> safe to
> > handle for arthritic fingers used to 385 sq feet total area
> of rig.
> >
> > Over to you, Rob! (sorry for yet another rant....)
> >
> > All the best, Ben and Olly aboard 'Pilgrim'
> >
> > --- In harryproa@yahoogrou <mailto:harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>
> ps.com.au, "Rob Denney" <proa@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > G'day,
> > >
> > > The Wylie has a lot of differences to a multi, but the
> unstayed mast
> > still has more in common with a harry rig than a stayed mast
> does.
> > Consequently, I would like to know their specs.
> > >
> > > Your Wharram performs extremely well. Apart from the sails,
> to what
> > do you attribute the performance, which is better than any
> other 30'
> > cruising boat I know of.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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