Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Aerodynamics and sailing performance
From: "Rob Denney" <proa@iinet.net.au>
Date: 3/5/2007, 10:36 PM
To:
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

G'day,

Well said!

regards,

Rob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Todd 
  To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:05 AM
  Subject: [harryproa] Re: Aerodynamics and sailing performance



  Hello Mike,

  Thanks for your time and effort of your take on the comparison.

  To me the comparison and what I believe single outrigger shunters 
  are your last paragraph sums it up. Single dominate hull shunters 
  are in a new class by them selfs with as good or better performance 
  than most of the off the shelf cats and tris on the market today. 
  Knowing that at any length wind speed or better can be achieved with 
  the least amount of equipment, least amount of weight, least amount 
  of sail, least amount of stress and strain on hull and float. Mybe 
  thats why as Rob said some builders/ designers have stopped 
  answering on price. It would be a shame for proffesional builders 
  getting beat on the water and in their pocket books on a craft that 
  can do it better at 1/10th the coast and 1/10th the materials. Are 
  they realizing the market of a craft once made from pile of 
  vegetation built with a keen sense of how nature works that sailed 
  circles around other craft of thier day and into the future. 

  On production line boats I'd never own one are you kidding me talk 
  about least of this an that, and the use of materials not really 
  designed for the water... polyester resin come on. 

  So now they charge for performance of the craft A sad spiral down 
  the tubes for proas. 

  Todd

  --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Mike Crawford <jmichael@...> 
  wrote:
  >
  > Todd,
  > 
  > It's nice to see some boats for comparison. The Reynolds and 
  Wharram
  > are both great boats at what they do, but aren't really great at 
  what
  > the harryproas do. I'll write up a quick comparison, and will also
  > include a Farrier F36, which is probably the closest thing in 
  terms of
  > apples and oranges.
  > 
  > Reynolds
  > 
  > As you said the price has increased. The original $33,000 didn't
  > include sails or rigging, so the number was deceivingly low even 
  at the
  > time. The finished boat with a trailer was closer to $70,000 to
  > $90,000. But now they are closer to $140,000. That's a lot of 
  money
  > for a boat without a double berth or standing room.
  > 
  > That's also probably the price of a custom-built Harry. The 
  Harry    <A title="harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au" href="mailto:harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au">harryproa@yahoogrou<WBR>ps.com.au</A> 
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      Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:36 PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal;FONT-SIZE: 10pt;FONT-STYLE: normal;FONT-FAMILY: arial;FONT-VARIANT: normal;font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal;"><B>Subject:</B> 
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      [mailto:harryproa@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;">Namens </SPAN></B>doha720<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;">Verzonden:</SPAN></B> woensdag 28 juni 2006 
      13:34<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;">Aan:</SPAN></B> 
      harryproa@yahoogrou<WBR>ps.com.au<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;">Onderwerp:</SPAN></B> [harryproa] Help drawing 
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      <DIV class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;">Hi,<BR><BR>I want to find something on the <SPAN class="GramE">internet</SPAN> that shows a mast section so <BR>that I can 
      print it and scale it to form the molds. <BR>Rob mentioned something about 
      length 3 x width.<BR>I found something one time and made rudders and <SPAN class="GramE">fins</SPAN> on some site. <BR><BR>Ta 
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