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RObert-- In harryproa@yahoogrou
<gardner@...
>
> Rob,
>
> It is great for you to offer to put together a 3D model of this, but I
> would hold for a bit. I think I am coming around to your opinion of
> just bumping up from 55 to 60' because I have jammed things together a
> bit in terms of walking around the saloon. If I go ahead with the
> longer length, which everyone keeps saying isn't a big deal, I will
> not be adding more stuff (except for a bit more deck and hardtop), so
> I should gain on the payload issue, which should help.
>
> I need to look up specifics to get weights. I know I want the following:
>
> cat dinghy (12' with 15+ HP outboard)
> Stove w/oven
> microwave
> inverter
> generator
> fridge w/freezer
> 3 heads w/holding tanks
> 2 propane cannisters
> 6 large solar panels
> undetermined engine system. Electric on rudders sounds good. I am
> watching those threads. I want a system that can drive the boat at 8
> knots in protected waters when I can't sail. What this will require in
> terms of extra weight is unclear to me. I assume it will just run off
> the generator for long (4+ hour) motoring days.
>
> I don't know an even approximate weight on this stuff yet. I will fill
> in what I can with the next drawing I post.
>
> As I go ahead an move closer to your charter layout, I was wondering
> if you could say again the tradeoffs between the schooner rig and the
> single main, in terms of cost, performance and short handed or single
> handed crew.
>
> And the reason behind my "visibility" push is that I often don't sit
> behind the wheel when sailing. For long sails, I like to lock in the
> autopilot and move around the cockpit and want good visibility from
> everywhere. It is also more fun for the crew and passengers if they
> have a good view from where ever they are (especially the cook).
>
> Thanks again. I am amazed by the amount of effort you put in to
> answering all the posts in the group.
>
> - Gardner
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > These new designs make it impossible to dismount I would think
> >
> > They are all demountable.
> >
> > I really, really like my visibility from the helm, so I
> > > am worried about having the
> > > > cabins and heads all at deck level.
> >
> > There is a 400mm/16" step between the cabin floor and the bridgedeck,
> > so there is all round vision from the helm while standing, or with an
> > elevated chair.
> >
> > > >
> > > > I tried putting this layout onto the Visionarry hulls, but I
expect
> > > that they would not carry
> > > > the payload, but I am trying to keep this as small (read
> affordable)
> > > as possible, so I just
> > > > went halfway between the 50' and 60' ideas mentioned in the
group.
> > > To keep the hull
> > > > shapes simple (cheaper), I just needed a 5' width in the ww
> hull for
> > > queen bunks (I want
> >
> > 5' wide hulls are fine, as long as the waterline is kept narrow.
> > Nothing less than 12:1 length to waterline beam. Once you know your
> > boat weight, this can be tweaked accordingly. Adding another 5'/1.5m
> > is a very cheap exercise.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would love to get feedback on this. I am particularly
interested
> > > if I can get away with a
> > > > single mast (height off the water must be < 65 feet) and if the
> boom
> > > will hit the hardtop.
> > > > Also, are the hulls the right size (approx).
> >
> > It is great that you are getting your ideas on paper. It all looks
> > possible to me at first glance. The devil is often in the detail, and
> > this shows up with 3d drawings. I will do some of these when I get a
> > moment. Please remind me in a couple of weeks if I have not done
> > them. Possible mast height depends on speed required and weight.
> > Rare Bird's mast is a little under 18m/60' so 65' should not be a
> > problem for you. The booms can be raised to clear the hardtop. Hull
> > size will depend on the weight. Start making lists of what you want
> > on the boat and what it weighs and costs and we can work from there.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rob
> > > >
> > > >
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