Subject: [harryproa] Re: OFF LIST
From: "Robert" <cateran1949@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 5/13/2008, 9:10 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

-Very similar to my concepts. I feel it allows more room below for
very little extra wind resistance, if any, and possibly it ends up
with less spray. I don't think it would take away from the motion or
increase water resistance. It does add marginally to complexity in
building, but I don't think excessively. Panels need to be joined
somewhere, and I find it difficult in working on panels much more than
the standard 1200 wide,
Robert-- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Arto Hakkarainen
<ahakkara@...> wrote:
>
> But that is the difference. In our boat I am the
> galley slave. I don't mind working in the galley
> regardless of location. And the layout I'm thinking
> icludes galley located next to steps to cockpit and
> saloon in the hull right next to galley by the second
> double bed. I should draw it to make it easier to
> explain.
>
> Actually if you have looked at Grainger's Alfresco
> catamarans you get the idea of the saloon in hull I
> have in mind. Alternatively I'm thinking of
> Shuttleworth like flared hull with enough beam to have
> settees opposite each other with table between. And
> combining the two would make it actually quite roomy
> but would require part of the second double bed to be
> used as settee (removable or folding backrest to make
> it double berth again). Folding table (or table rising
> to roof) would make access to second berth and head
> easier.
>
> But the marina issue seems to be different where you
> sail. I have no problem finding permanent dock.
> Marinas during our short cruising period are sometimes
> very crowded. Getting place in marina sometimes takes
> slow approach to carefully place the bow between two
> boats and then pushing the boat between the other
> boats with full throttle to slide between the two
> boats in already full dock. Been there, done that...
>
> Actually one morning when a boat tried to exit the
> dock whole line of boats moved in same rhytm when they
> tried to leave. Boats where so tightly packed that
> they couldn't get out before half a dozen others
> helped push next boats little further with feet. Now
> figuring how to get a harryproa with over 8 m beam to
> that marina... You get the picture.
>
> Arto
>
> --- jjtctaylor <jtaylor412@...> wrote:
>
> > Arto,
> >
> > One point the boss made clear, she wants to be up,
> > not down. Part of
> > the sail appeal is social, so wants galley in the
> > middle, and up not
> > down in the hull. Need to see out forward (or back)
> > to minimize
> > seasick if must work at sea. Also MUST have galley
> > near cockpit for
> > activities and refreshment.
> >
> > I am able to find transient end dock space at many
> > locations. Just
> > not berthing slips. Makes it easier to park anyway.
> > Permananent
> > berthing slips for CATS are really hard to find. I
> > have to wait 2
> > years for new marina near Oriental, NC.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Arto
> > Hakkarainen <ahakkara@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Robert <cateran1949@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > About amount of flare: I would consider how
> > much
> > > > small tris like a
> > > > kendrick have as a maximum. My idea is to have a
> > > > eonough flare so that
> > > > an 80cm wide hull at wterline can have enough
> > room
> > > > downstairs for a
> > > > small saloon, ie about 1.4-1.5 m over all,
> > giving
> > > > about 330-35cm flare
> > > > each side. I would have them just high enough
> > for a
> > > > comfortable
> > > > backside to fit, and this would mean that chop
> > would
> > > > meet them. I t
> > > > may be that this could help in resistance, as
> > they
> > > > my get a bit of
> > > > lift off the chop if the flare is close to
> > > > horizontal. decent bunks
> > > > could be set above on the inward side, and still
> > be
> > > > less than 3m for
> > > > wide towing. I'd like to flare slightly the
> > inside
> > > > of the lw hull to
> > > > about1.2- 1.3m for a 'cosy' double. this would
> > also
> > > > increase the bury
> > > > fo rthe crossbeams I'd also like to consider
> > > > allowing the crossbeams
> > > > to slide into the cabin, allowing the hulls to
> > sit
> > > > together, reducing
> > > > overall width to less than 4.5m, more acceptable
> > for
> > > > marinas,
> > > > hard-stand, narrow waterways and short term road
> > > > transport.
> > > > Robert-
> > > >
> > > This reflects also my thinking. Simple facts of
> > life:
> > > wife likes marina conveniences, marinas are full,
> > with
> > > wife onboard I have more chances to go sailing ->
> > must
> > > be able to find marina berth, which is easier with
> > > less beam. Way to reduce beam for marinas would be
> > > very welcome feature.
> > >
> > > Arto
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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