Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: OFF LIST
From: Arto Hakkarainen
Date: 5/13/2008, 3:28 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

But that is the difference. In our boat I am the
galley slave. I don't mind working in the galley
regardless of location. And the layout I'm thinking
icludes galley located next to steps to cockpit and
saloon in the hull right next to galley by the second
double bed. I should draw it to make it easier to
explain.

Actually if you have looked at Grainger's Alfresco
catamarans you get the idea of the saloon in hull I
have in mind. Alternatively I'm thinking of
Shuttleworth like flared hull with enough beam to have
settees opposite each other with table between. And
combining the two would make it actually quite roomy
but would require part of the second double bed to be
used as settee (removable or folding backrest to make
it double berth again). Folding table (or table rising
to roof) would make access to second berth and head
easier.

But the marina issue seems to be different where you
sail. I have no problem finding permanent dock.
Marinas during our short cruising period are sometimes
very crowded. Getting place in marina sometimes takes
slow approach to carefully place the bow between two
boats and then pushing the boat between the other
boats with full throttle to slide between the two
boats in already full dock. Been there, done that...

Actually one morning when a boat tried to exit the
dock whole line of boats moved in same rhytm when they
tried to leave. Boats where so tightly packed that
they couldn't get out before half a dozen others
helped push next boats little further with feet. Now
figuring how to get a harryproa with over 8 m beam to
that marina... You get the picture.

Arto

--- jjtctaylor <jtaylor412@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> Arto,
>
> One point the boss made clear, she wants to be up,
> not down. Part of
> the sail appeal is social, so wants galley in the
> middle, and up not
> down in the hull. Need to see out forward (or back)
> to minimize
> seasick if must work at sea. Also MUST have galley
> near cockpit for
> activities and refreshment.
>
> I am able to find transient end dock space at many
> locations. Just
> not berthing slips. Makes it easier to park anyway.
> Permananent
> berthing slips for CATS are really hard to find. I
> have to wait 2
> years for new marina near Oriental, NC.
>
> JT
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Arto
> Hakkarainen <ahakkara@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
> >
> > > About amount of flare: I would consider how
> much
> > > small tris like a
> > > kendrick have as a maximum. My idea is to have a
> > > eonough flare so that
> > > an 80cm wide hull at wterline can have enough
> room
> > > downstairs for a
> > > small saloon, ie about 1.4-1.5 m over all,
> giving
> > > about 330-35cm flare
> > > each side. I would have them just high enough
> for a
> > > comfortable
> > > backside to fit, and this would mean that chop
> would
> > > meet them. I t
> > > may be that this could help in resistance, as
> they
> > > my get a bit of
> > > lift off the chop if the flare is close to
> > > horizontal. decent bunks
> > > could be set above on the inward side, and still
> be
> > > less than 3m for
> > > wide towing. I'd like to flare slightly the
> inside
> > > of the lw hull to
> > > about1.2- 1.3m for a 'cosy' double. this would
> also
> > > increase the bury
> > > fo rthe crossbeams I'd also like to consider
> > > allowing the crossbeams
> > > to slide into the cabin, allowing the hulls to
> sit
> > > together, reducing
> > > overall width to less than 4.5m, more acceptable
> for
> > > marinas,
> > > hard-stand, narrow waterways and short term road
> > > transport.
> > > Robert-
> > >
> > This reflects also my thinking. Simple facts of
> life:
> > wife likes marina conveniences, marinas are full,
> with
> > wife onboard I have more chances to go sailing ->
> must
> > be able to find marina berth, which is easier with
> > less beam. Way to reduce beam for marinas would be
> > very welcome feature.
> >
> > Arto
> >
>
>
>

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