Subject: Re: [harryproa] Charter proa deckplan question
From: "Rob Denney" <>
Date: 5/24/2008, 3:58 AM


Looks good to me. I will draw it in 3d and see how it all fits, but
there is no obvious problem as the only low headroom areas are over
the bunks. Not sure the galley will be big enough for the freezer,
fridge, microwave and oven, but there is room to expand it if
required. Well done. Just looked at the second one. Equally
good. Thanks

Ron (the owner) watches the list, we may get some input from him as
well. He reckons that the design could be made to look more
appealing, which I agree with, but I can't see any way of doing it and
keeping it from flat panels which is where the low cost comes from,
and this was the most important part of the design.. If you or
anybody knows a graphic artist or exterior designer, please ask them
to drop me a line. Any hints on improving the looks will also be

On Friday I got a quote from a German guy who, as a retirement
project, has set himself up as a boat project manager in China. He is
working with a yard to build a 50' Hughes cat (all vac bagged foam and
glass) and contacted me about a carbon mast for it. We got chatting
and I ended up sending him the charter proa building instructions. He
doesn't think introducing new techniques is a good idea on the first
boat, and reckons they can build a hull mould for less than $3,000.
His price for the two hulls, decks, saloon, beams, floors and
bulkheads, all joined and painted is $US88,000. Not bad for a 60



On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:33 PM, gardnerpomper <> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been looking at the layout of the charter proa, and the questions
> about having a
> dining table and nav station and things. It is hard for me to visualize the
> ideas, so I did a
> quick drawing as best I could to incorporate these other items in the
> minimum amount of
> deck space. Additionally, it seemed like there needed to be a way to walk
> from the helm to
> anywhere on the boat without traversing the trampolines (seems safer to me).
> Anyway, I submitted the file to the uploads under "Charter Proa deckplan
> idea". It isn't as
> pretty as Rob's renderings, but I could not figure out how to do it with
> less deckspace and
> it moves the helm over to 15 feet from the windward outside edge. The saloon
> ends up as
> 475 sq ft (43.75 sq meters) which is alot more than before. Plus, I had to
> add 85 sq ft (7.9
> sq meters) of walkway just to get to the beams, so that you could cross over
> to the
> windward hull.
> I can tilt the nav stations and trim the corners of the staterooms a bit,
> but that doesn't
> gain me much (probably looks a bit better). Anyway, I guess the question is
> if this is gong
> to end up too heavy, or if the beam would need to be widened?
> Perhaps all will be answered in Rob's next renderings, but I am impatient.
> It seems that all
> this is necessary in a charter that people will be on for a month.
> - Gardner

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