|Subject: Re: [harryproa] Build trailerable as a test?|
|From: "Rob Denney" <firstname.lastname@example.org>|
|Date: 5/27/2008, 11:38 AM|
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:00 PM, gardnerpomper <gardner@networknow.
> Some sort of liveaboard harryproa seems like my next cruising boat. I
> am interested in both sampling the experience, and finding out if I
> have the fortitude to build one. I have seen messages about a
> trailerable design and I have some questions specific to using it to
> "try out" the home build/proa idea.
> 1) trailerable as other specs (8'6" trailer width,
><1000lbs with trailer (negotiable)
Difficult, negotiations can start when i have done some drawings.
> 2) build method as similar to proposed charter boat as possible, since
> that is identified as simplest for larger boats
> fast and easy on/off the trailer. this would be a daysailer, driving 2
> hours to the water, set it up, sail for a few hours, break it down,
> trailer it 2 hours home.
> 3) I am heavy (300lbs), so the crew weight (3 of us) would be about
> 550lbs. We would like to be able to invite another 2 adults and a
> child and still sail it well, so total crew weight could be 900 lbs.
Difficult, I will see what the minimum size is to do this. How much
extra for food and safety gear?
> 4) Enclosed head
> 5) sail without getting wet
> 6) camping propane stove
> 7) comfy seats and table to eat at
Can this be outside, under a removable bimini with roll down sides?
Otherwise, it is a bit ticky for 6 people.
> 8) standing headroom (fold down bimini ok)
> 9) rain protected
> 10) will never be INTENTIONALLY sailed in > 20 kts
> 11) ballestron rig
> I won't be racing, but I will want performance comparable to what we
> have heard from Rare Bird and the charter proa design (i.e. windspeed
> up to 15 knots). I *don't* want to fly a hull!! (I'm timid)
Timid is good, but it will be a sizableboat to do this with 6 people on board.
> 1) What would plan cost be?
TBA when i see what is involved. Probably $Aus3,000, as it is going
to be a one off. You get 10% off any future plans sold to the
design until the next one is sailing. After that it is as per the
Goodwill Fee on http://www.harrypro
price wil be deducted from the big boat fee.
2) would plans include info on resin infusion and building a table,
> etc, etc? Or at least point me to such info?
yes. As much information as you need on anything in the plans.
> 2) Estimated build time (novice.. experienced with epoxy/fiberglass,
> even some with carbon mat as reinforement, but never built a boat). If
> you prefer, you can supply "average estimated build" and I will put in
> my own "idiot factor" multiplier
TBA, but mostly it will depend on the level of finish inside and
outside that you require.
> 3) Would it be close to the "trailer sailer" layout jpg I see posted
> in the forums?
Not if you want a cockpit for 6, which will replace the bunks
>What are hull lengths?
Long! What is the longest you can build, trailer and handle on the ramp?
> 4) When could I start? I have a building available this summer/fall,
> but it is not heated
Tomorrow, building the table. You won't get all the plans
immediately, but i will keep ahead of your progress. Pay for half the
plans up front, the rest before the last drawings arrive.
> 5) material cost? availablity?
Not a huge amount, probably less than the resale value of the boat.
Can get it from your local supplier, apart from the carbon for the
mast, boom, rudders and beams which I will supply from Texas.
> BTW, I live in Pennsylvania (US).
No problem ;-)
> - Gardner