|Subject: Re: [harryproa] Build trailerable as a test?|
|From: "Gardner Pomper" <email@example.com>|
|Date: 5/27/2008, 6:13 PM|
Ok, let me switch tracks here. I was originally thinking of something like the Elementarry design. One of my thoughts is that the liveaboard proas are so long, that perhaps it would be possible to use Elementarry, or something like that as a sailing tender, with a Torqeedo electric outboard for when you don't want to sail. It would have to be able to carry 6-800 pounds of passengers without swamping, but it doesn't have to have great sailing characteristics when fully loaded.
I don't find any specs on payload for the Elementarry. Also, would it be possible to mount it in a cradle on the roof of the cruising proa?
I have tried to keep my ideas at least moderately sane, so please forgive me if I have gone too wacky with this one.
Ok, I can tell by the responses that it won't be a small boat :( I was hoping for something smaller than the design that is taking shape. Since that looks to be not true, let me fall back to that one, and drop the weight requirements and the 6 passenger (we will only invite people on a nice day for a few hours. They can sit on the trampolines (there can be trampolines, right?) Then we can design for crew weight of 600lbs, and seating for 3-4.
I notice that you are not using the ballestron right. I am flouting my ingorance here, but how can you go upwind with a mast centered for and aft and no headsail?
I was also thinking of a 3-4' flat panel, hinged at the floor, to give some sort of walkway outside the cockpit. Fold it down once the beam is expanded.
Is the sail loose footed? The charter proa talks about the boom and mast being one piece, but it would seem to make it too wide for trailering.
Since you have basics worked out on that trailer sailor, do you have an estimate of work hours for an "average" finish? I know you have mentioned 1400 for the charter proa hull (by professionals, I am sure).
There looks to be a single bunk "forward" also. Is that true, or is that the galley? What are the bunk dimensions?On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:00 PM, gardnerpomper <gardner@networknow.
> Some sort of liveaboard harryproa seems like my next cruising boat. I
> am interested in both sampling the experience, and finding out if I
> have the fortitude to build one. I have seen messages about a
> trailerable design and I have some questions specific to using it to
> "try out" the home build/proa idea.
> 1) trailerable as other specs (8'6" trailer width,
><1000lbs with trailer (negotiable)
Difficult, negotiations can start when i have done some drawings.Easy
> 2) build method as similar to proposed charter boat as possible, since
> that is identified as simplest for larger boats
> fast and easy on/off the trailer. this would be a daysailer, driving 2
> hours to the water, set it up, sail for a few hours, break it down,
> trailer it 2 hours home.Difficult, I will see what the minimum size is to do this. How much
> 3) I am heavy (300lbs), so the crew weight (3 of us) would be about
> 550lbs. We would like to be able to invite another 2 adults and a
> child and still sail it well, so total crew weight could be 900 lbs.
extra for food and safety gear?
> 4) Enclosed head
> 5) sail without getting wetCan this be outside, under a removable bimini with roll down sides?
> 6) camping propane stove
> 7) comfy seats and table to eat at
Otherwise, it is a bit ticky for 6 people.easy
> 8) standing headroom (fold down bimini ok)
> 9) rain protected
> 10) will never be INTENTIONALLY sailed in > 20 kts
> 11) ballestron rig
easyTimid is good, but it will be a sizableboat to do this with 6 people on board.
> I won't be racing, but I will want performance comparable to what we
> have heard from Rare Bird and the charter proa design (i.e. windspeed
> up to 15 knots). I *don't* want to fly a hull!! (I'm timid)TBA when i see what is involved. Probably $Aus3,000, as it is going
> 1) What would plan cost be?
to be a one off. You get 10% off any future plans sold to the
design until the next one is sailing. After that it is as per the
Goodwill Fee on http://www.harrypro
a.com/plans.Part of the plans htm
price wil be deducted from the big boat fee.yes. As much information as you need on anything in the plans.
2) would plans include info on resin infusion and building a table,
> etc, etc? Or at least point me to such info?TBA, but mostly it will depend on the level of finish inside and
> 2) Estimated build time (novice.. experienced with epoxy/fiberglass,
> even some with carbon mat as reinforement, but never built a boat). If
> you prefer, you can supply "average estimated build" and I will put in
> my own "idiot factor" multiplier
outside that you require.Not if you want a cockpit for 6, which will replace the bunks
> 3) Would it be close to the "trailer sailer" layout jpg I see posted
> in the forums?
>What are hull lengths?
Long! What is the longest you can build, trailer and handle on the ramp?Tomorrow, building the table. You won't get all the plans
> 4) When could I start? I have a building available this summer/fall,
> but it is not heated
immediately, but i will keep ahead of your progress. Pay for half the
plans up front, the rest before the last drawings arrive.
> 5) material cost? availablity?
Not a huge amount, probably less than the resale value of the boat.
Can get it from your local supplier, apart from the carbon for the
mast, boom, rudders and beams which I will supply from Texas.No problem ;-)
> BTW, I live in Pennsylvania (US).
> - Gardner