Subject: RE: [harryproa] Re: Crazy rudder idea |
From: "Jerry Barth" <shredderf16@sbcglobal.net> |
Date: 11/7/2008, 1:27 AM |
To: |
Reply-to: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au |
Mike,
I owned a widened and taller rigged stiletto
27 back in the day. Many fond memories of that boat. My 2 month old son
strapped to the deck in his car seat while we sailed. He’s at the USCG
academy this weekend decided whether he’s gonna go or not. I second your
thoughts, now that I’m 18 years older I think that boat is probably too
light to have kids on. Also, like you, I’ve always been about 5 years
from sailing away. I do have the advantage of having an actual project in my
barn awaiting my attention after I finish the wife’s new bathroom and
painting the house. I’m planning on starting it in about two years, with
a finish date of five years from now!!!
Jerry Barth
From:
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008
12:22 PM
To:
Subject: [harryproa] Re: Crazy
rudder idea
Of course your rudders would kick up in both directions -- obviously
they'd be facing the right direction when running into anything. I had
the beam-mounted rudders in mind at the time, which I think do kick up in both
directions, but didn't fully think before asking the question.
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I don't have any sketches. I pretty much like Blind Date with a
few changes: a collapsing system, probably beam rudders, possibly a schooner
rig, a hardtop bimini with roll-up clears instead of the existing weather
protection.
I'm also considering the same design in a standard Harry, which would
cost less and could potentially be shipped inside a container. If we're
not planning to cruise for weeks at a time, why pay for twice the boat? I
can pee while sitting down if it saves $100,000.
But every year my plans are still five years away. It doesn't help
that I keep spending money on other boats, and that my wife and I are building
a house. In the end, the delay will allow for more experience and
innovation with items like rudders.
I'm in
However, we're about to have a daughter in February, and once she's a
bit older, I'll want something larger and more seaworthy than the
Siletto. At 1200 pounds, tt's the perfect daysailer in light to mid
winds, but the boat is too darn light for anything offshore. It can be
very disconcerting to fly off a wave and land softly, transom-first. One
big gust at the wrong moment and that boat will either capsize or reverse
pitchpole. Thus, we don't go out in big winds, nor do we go out far
enough to where big winds could cause trouble before we could get back to
safety.
The two boats we've settled on for the "next boat" are a
Harryproa and a Wharram Tiki 38.
While I just love lines and rig on the Wharram, I can guarantee that it
will sail like a dog in comparison to a Harryproa, and there's no chance of
breaking it down at the end of the season in order to avoid a $5,000 boat yard
storage fee. There's also the complexity and failure points associated
with all that rigging, as well as the flexing structure (which some see as a
benefit and others as a curse).
The Harryproa or Visionarry, on the other hand, should cost less than
the Wharram, offer two doubles or more for accommodations, might be more
seaworthy for a variety of reasons, and could technically be stored on our own
property. Plus, while I don't feel the need to be the fastest guy on the
water all the time, I will admit that it would be tough to give up the
performance of the Stiletto and settle for the Tiki. 20 knots is fun once
every year or two, but ten knots is fun most of the time.
Thus, no matter how much I look at other boats (tri's, open-deck cats,
etc.), nothing seems to come close to offering the performance of a Harryproa
at anything near the same level of price, safety, and simplicity.
- Mike
Gardner Pomper wrote:
I am also interested in a collapsing beam, but my boat keeps getting bigger and at the moment, it would only collapse to 16' so I am not sure if it is worth it.
The rudders are balanced, such that the water flow should always face them in the direction of motion. I guess if you were using your engines to back up and held the rudders in place with the wheel, they would not kick up, but I am not that worried.
I would think they would kick up at an angle, but if the angle is too acute, then (hopefully) the failsafe hinge up near the beam would release and kick up the whole assembly.
I have forgotten where you are, Mike. Can you refresh my memory? Do you have a sketch/drawings of your boat yet that you are willing to share? I would like to see the accomodations. Mine has just gotten too darn big!
-
Gardner
York ,PA