G'Day Gardner,   Sorry for the short reply, but was paying for time in Leeman Telecentre, and it is true there are answers in photos or posts. But I encourage starting on Elementarryand am developing personal preferences on accomodations, rigs, rudders etc, so want to pass on ideas.   The ww hull is basically a box 2m long and a metre I think high. There a storage lockers under the platform. The ugly height of the cabin from the outside is actuallu beneficial in keeping all spry off of aft (where I sit )cockpit. It is a little high for seeing over and so I would reduce the height by another 10 inches. This would make the inside to small, but it is 4-6 inches higher than my head at the moment, plus the platform can go about 4-6 inches lower as well. This would end up with a more attracive/leww windage cabin top, while seeing over easily but hopefully protecting from the spray still. The lid/hatch is not good at thye moment, it needs to be hinged so that it lifts up rather than out and clears the bimini so that it only needs one push of a hand or a foot and it will stay open without needing try and reach out and latch it on to a hook to hold it up as I do at the moment. The bimini is great for our harsh sunshine (can't remember when I used it for rain last), however on the next point of rigs, it will interfere with what I would like in an easy rig. Not sure how to solve that and have free swinging boom room with bimini over cockpit. Two mainsails are a lot of effort to haul in for every shunt. Beating is very physical. A single shorter length (because of less purchase or same purchase but much lighter load) sheet will greatly speed up the action. Too many ropes to pull and cleat and try to organise while watching where you're going and not take too long while losing ground sideways drift has made a definite impression. I think the easy rig would balance the boat better, with the effort further forward, not tending to head the boat up to windward as the two mains seem to do. Rudders are no where near ideal, perhaps they can't be for proas, but mine are suffiient where they are and they kick up etc and so don't really need changing. Not really sure what to recommend to another beginning builder. Probably go with Robs beam mounts, but I would always want them further back if at all possible. An extra mini beam could be added a metre behind elementarry beams.   As for anchors well that is a bridle to two cleats usually up the same end each time so leave tied on. Sidecar anchors well now adays..   The mast would need to be light carbon and swinging or somehow easily removed. Mine are stuck in pretty well and not coming out for a while. The seperating hulls is not easy for a heavy boat without some help, I have not tried it since launch at the boatyard. Mostly because my masts and rudders are so heavy I wouldn't get it back together again. I was stuck on the beach at Geraldton, aftert watching Australia the movie, I came back and found it dry on the beach. Not too far from the water, really just the ww hull was stuck and I could inch it back into the water with the swell surges. Tide was dropping, but not much, only left it for a few hours (long movie), and wind must have let it come in or someone pulled it in? But other than that its a heavy cruising version of the elementarry and can't lift the w hull.   Exact weights I can't remember, but wrote some figures down when building and launching. Mast was 24 kilos, boom 6kg, Each one. New beams and deck not sure, but opld ones I wrote down in posts. Lw hull I could lift up one end at a time to put onto car roof.   Doug --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Sidecar accomodations photos? At Leeman now To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 5:54 PM Hello,   Gardner, do your homework, its all in the photos and messages somewhere.     Lovely reefy islands along past Jurien and Green Head. Zero swell and offshores so far.   Cabin has unintended major benefit of completely shielding spray. Very dry. Few inches less for visibility would be better. When double reefed (about 3sqm of sail) I think the cabin may block some wind.   DOug     --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail. com> wrote: From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Sidecar accomodations photos? To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 11:19 AM I have some photos, but need to talk to my wife to get them downloaded. maybe tonight. He sleeps on the floor, which is a bit lower than bridgedeck height. No head, probably no bucket either. Go off the beam, or in rough weather, through the tramp. Anchor lives on the tramp. less lugging around required, and self deploying in a capsize. Telescoping beams. Hulls are heaviest, doubt he has weighed them. Maybe 70 kgs each. Sidecar is an amazing boat. Shows what can be done with very little money. Also shows the versatility of the harry concept. Doug has taken this far further (conceptually and distance) than I thought possible. regards, Rob On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Gardner Pomper <gardner@networknow. org> wrote: > Hi, > > I have been enjoying the photos doug has been taking of his trip. I have a > request for some more photos of the "accomodations" on his boat. Does he > sleep on the hull sole, or is there a platform in the ww hull? What about a > head? Just a bucket, I assume, but does he have to use it out on the > bridgedeck? Where is the anchor stored while underway? Also, does sidecar > have telescoping beams, or does it disassemble for transport? Finally, what > is the heaviest piece he needs to lift and how much does it weigh? > Considering sidecar as a waypoint on the road to a liveaboard, > - Gardner Pomper > York, PA >