-I think this is a very good point. Rare Bird is probably under sailed even for cruising. Simply a bigger rig to start with and reef when most boats need to reef.
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> From: Herb Desson <squirebug@.
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: extra sails for light airs
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou
> Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 7:27 PM
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> Sorry I wasn't really clear. What I actually have in mind about the stay sail is similar to what you describe except the tack (lower front) of the sail is attached to the bottom of the foremast instead of between the bows. It would be sheeted to the main (aft) boom, with the head attached to the top of the main mast.
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> As you say, shunting would require some preparation. However, I would not expect frequent shunting in a light air situation, or if required, just go a bit slower with working sail.
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> BTW what I meant by a mule is a triangular sail sheeted to the top of the main mast, tacked to the bottom of the foremast and the head at the top of the foremast. Between staysail and mule you fully fill the area between the masts with a bit of overlap between the staysail and the mainsail.
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> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Robert" <cateran1949@ ...> wrote:
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> > -Makes a lot of sense for a mule. Is a stayless rig allowed to have a staysail? For a schooner I would think a screecher off a bridle between the bows. The bridle can be adjusted to bring the tack to ww for better downwind performance. Also an extra triangle sail for the aft mast tacked to the ww hull. Need all hands on deck when it comes to a shunt
> > r -- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Herb Desson" <squirebug@> wrote:
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> > > In the case of a schooner, I fancy a staysail and mule. This would approximately double the sail area. The mule would be about 40% of working sail area, the staysail about 60%.
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> > > Best regards
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> > > --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Robert" <cateran1949@ > wrote:
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> > > > What are the latest thoughts for extra sails for light air?
> > > > My 2c
> > > > -Big asymmetric hanging on a bridle between the two bows. This requires a bit of a hassle when shunting.
> > > > _ Big symmetric attached to both lee bows with the ability to harden up either edge whichever becomes the luff. A bit like a flexible dyna rig. difficult to make such a sail but this is used in square riggers with some success. Todd's examples using a stiff sail gives some plausibility to this.. If it worked, would be the easiest to shunt
> > > > - Two screechers on roller reefing on each bow. Hard to keep enough tension on the forestay and extra windage when not needed and makes the mast need to work in a different way
> > > > -Screecher or asymmetric on a prodder on the boom. Awkward to balance the rig
> > > > -Hang a high lift kite between the mast top and the ww bow
> > > > -have an extra track on the mast and have a 5-6m extension to get some of the extra wind up high. Not as much area as the other options
> > > > -Go telescopic for an extra 60-80%. Complexity and getting sails that cover the possible differences in mast shapes
> > > > -Simply have a taller mast and reef earlier. extra windage when not needed.
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