Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: AirCell tested and fails (I think)
From: Doug Haines
Date: 6/8/2009, 1:21 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au



is this for impact resistance testing?
 
i tested some kiri strips by hanging a static load off the middle  to see how much strength kiri provides in the sandwhich - kiri strip planked is so much stronger in fore and aft comparred to foam core, that I think the larger boats would neeed either less thick kiri or an extra uni layer of glass in the design.
small boats are already at the practical limit of thin strips so 5mm kiri is probably over strong.
lots of weight saving too.
 
doug
 
PS. have benefitted from the clearing out of Rob's garage, he had nearly completed an entire harriette - materials wise it is a full kit, including beams, hulls (not rudders). they need lots of fairing of hulls, taping joins on beams, tramps etc, but are not going to get utilised sitting around here, so speak up if you want them.

--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Robert <cateran1949@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Robert <cateran1949@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [harryproa] Re: AirCell tested and fails (I think)
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 3:05 PM

-I feel the experiment should be done over a frame so that the edges are supported. This way it approximates more the hitting of a hard object by the hull.
Form what I have read, polyprop honeycomb comes out especially well under this test.

-- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hit it until it fails, not until the core has turned to dust! ;-) With the
> block of wood, assuming the blows were in the centre of the block (no edge
> loads), it may take 10 blows. With just the hammer, perhaps a series of
> blows of increasing force.
>
> Regardless, what you want is a comparison, not an absolute number. So start
> laminating the panels with the other cores.
>
> regards,
>
> rob
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gardner Pomper <gardner@... >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Oops!
> >
> > When you said, hit with a hammer, and put a block of wood and hit with a
> > sledgehammer, maybe I should have asked what you meant. Did you mean just
> > hit it once?
> >
> > - Gardner
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Rob Denney <harryproa@. ..> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> G'day,
> >>
> >> That is a pretty severe test! To make it usable, you need to do the same
> >> tests on the same laminate with different foam.
> >>
> >> If it breaks the same way, then you need to reduce the size or number of
> >> impacts on each until only one fails. Then continue the loads on the other
> >> until it also fails. This will give you a comparison.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Gardner Pomper <gardner@... >wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I took a couple of Rob Denney's testing suggestions and did them on a 1"
> >>> 1'x2' panel of 6lb Aircell. Here are the tests and the results:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Took a hammer and hit the panel as hard as I could, 10 times in one
> >>> spot
> >>>
> >>> 2) Took a 2x4 piece about 6" long, put it on the panel, then hit it with
> >>> a hand sledge 10 times, very hard
> >>>
> >>> After this, I cut the panel through each area.
> >>>
> >>> The hammer test broke the fiberglass (1 layer of 18oz biaxial, infused
> >>> with epoxy), dented the foam and delaminated the fiberglass around the area.
> >>>
> >>> The sledge test slightly dented the foam and delaminated the reverse side
> >>> of the panel.
> >>>
> >>> I have uploaded photos to the "Aircell Testing" album on the harryproa
> >>> yahoo group, under the Photos section, for anyone who wants to take a look.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously, the panel failed these tests. My question is, was I fair, or
> >>> was I too severe? Should I have only hit the panel once, instead of 10 times
> >>> each? Should I not hit it as hard as I could?
> >>>
> >>> - Gardner
> >>> York, PA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>


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