They do.
Solitarry is a classe 50 multi which have glass hulls. To save
money. They only cost half a million or so Euros. Sol at 40,000
Euros should make an impact in more ways than one!
rob
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Doug Haines<doha720@yahoo.
>
>
> so the rdr want a glass boat to compete against other glass boats?
> i thought the carbon omra mulllti's race that one.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/6/09, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.
>
> From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: preglassed panels....weights
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou
> Date: Friday, 12 June, 2009, 1:45 PM
>
> G'day,
>
> Sue reads these posts! The boat is a weekender for the family.
>
> The Route de Rhum is huge, both in France and in terms of getting harrys
> accepted. A full carbon hull would be 300 gsm each side of the foam. I am
> using 400 glass. As the areas are pretty small, this is a significant, but
> not enormous saving. The cost difference is significant as carbon cloth
> costs about $150/kg, glass about $3 and I am paying for it from harry
> earnings, including the sale of Elementarry, if anyone is interested.
>
> Squid is looking for a sponsor, will have a balls to the wall racer if he
> can find one, otherwise a cruiser when he saves his pennies. The RdR
> sailors (there are 2 possibilities) are also looking for a sponsor, want to
> stay quiet until they have one. Both are very experienced short handed
> sailors.
>
> regards,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi rob,
>>
>> re-read your post and think the fact that you have said that your own boat
>> is to be built as a glass boat desrves some topic comment further.
>> do you like to keep something for the future to aspire to make/own.
>> thought you'd have gone totally within reasons for best of everything
>> which seems to have as of a fair while ago becopme standard to use carbon.
>> even I was wondering how much more it would be, and costs and weights.
>> I can see the route de rhum is a big event, but is that not open to all in
>> an open division.
>>
>> maybe you could share the calculation total on glass as versus carbon with
>> us.
>> as a harryproa flagship it would be nice to see it skimpd on nothing.
>> otherwise it's a cruising family weekender, which is it going to be?
>> a cruiser / racer.
>> what is squid wanting?
>> and who exactly asked for a boat in the route de rhum? is there a cruising
>> division as well?
>>
>> doug
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail. com>
>> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: preglassed panels....weights
>> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
>> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 4:58 PM
>>
>> Not sure what 3.5 kg panel you are referring to, but I calculate panel
>> weight as follows:
>>
>> weight of glass = weight of resin so weight of glass *4 plus core
>> thickness in metres * weight per cubic metre (80 is near enough for both
>> foam and polycore, cedar is 350, kiri 290) plus 200 gsm per side for foam
>> and polycore, 50 gsm per side for timber.
>>
>> so 400 gsm glass either side of 10mm foam will be (4*0.4) + (0.01*.08)+(
>> 2*.2) = 2.8 kgs per sq m.
>>
>> regards,
>> Rob
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> as usual, I am not too sure what you're on about, but sounds possible.
>>>
>>> I am using up odd bits of core to make shelves/tablette/ bunk so had to
>>> shape and work lots of bits. took all day long and very fiddly. a piece of
>>> foam you can make a pencil line and cut it with a knife and voila!
>>>
>>> this is mostly 5mm and some 10mm, the bigger thick panels would have even
>>> bigger holes .. to fill!
>>>
>>> On panel weights, I was starting to list the per sqm weights....
>>>
>>> sidecar - elementarry, 5mm core and 260g db: 1.0 kg glass/resin + 400kg
>>> foam or 1.4 kg kiri core. plus wet out of foam I think was about 200g per
>>> sqm. Is there a wet out /soak in initial amount of resin to coat onto kiri?
>>>
>>> anyway that's 2.0 kg persqm of foam / glass panel
>>> or 3.0 kg/sqm of kiri / glass.
>>>
>>> not sure how much bog counts as, seems like it uses up heaps of resin,
>>> but most of that is sanded off again.
>>> then paint, especially anitfoul must be heavy.
>>>
>>> then add up all tapes across joins, reinforcing double layer glass at
>>> mast, beams, plus bulkheads, fitting attachments, and you can total the
>>> whole hull ( simple to start with lw hull first). It is called a composite
>>> boat because it is cimposed of many smaller parts.
>>>
>>> What was Rob's 3.5 kg panel weight made of?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> Mandurah today
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk>
>>> Subject: [harryproa] Re: preglassed panels
>>> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
>>> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 3:53 PM
>>>
>>> Have you tried the right primer on the polyprop before bogging. I have
>>> used primer to get a good grip for painting a polyprop bumper bar.
>>> Depends what foam it is cheaper than. I like it, apart from the price,
>>> for its ability to take impact. Some of the other foams disintegrate under
>>> impact and the good ones cost a lot more.
>>> It is possible to seal edges by heating, but on a long section it is too
>>> easy to stretch the edge and put the panel out of shape. . It should be
>>> possible to do about 60cm a time and nick the end of each section before
>>> heat pressing to avoid this.
>>> For internal edge finishing I was thinking of a routed out channel in a
>>> piece of timber to slip over the edge.
>>> how necessary is it to bog all the joints rather than simply putting
>>> another strip of tape to stiffen it
>>>
>>> It would certainly be easier to just use foam
>>>
>>> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, Doug Haines <doha720@... > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > word of warning - polycore is a pain to work with, wherever edges join,
>>> > finish or whatever happens at the edge of your panel, it's really a lot of
>>> > extra work to fill all the honeycomb holes I find. Just more extra jobs/time
>>> > you don't need like when it should be simple panel cut, fit in and join
>>> > becomes bog all the gaps, mix extra resin and the smooth plastic honeycomb
>>> > is not very grippy for the bog either.
>>> > I believe the honeycomb is cheaper by 15-20% over foam core is that
>>> > right? Hmmmn...tough choice.
>>> > No local polycore in W.A., makes it same price as foam to tansport from
>>> > Queensland, so I have been getting 5mm foam sheets for all the bits of stuff
>>> > Lately.
>>> > Foams good for a quick poly urethane glue join together and sticking
>>> > into place and you are bonded ready to get the epoxy on in not too long at
>>> > all.
>>> > Just saying it is a definite shortfall of the polycoe Robert, sorry to
>>> > throw you out.
>>> >
>>> > Doug
>>> >
>>> > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Robert <cateran1949@ ...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Robert <cateran1949@ ...>
>>> > Subject: [harryproa] preglassed panels
>>> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
>>> > Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 11:41 AM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I was looking at the preglassed panels of polycore and was thinking how
>>> > a 12.5mx2.5m preglassed panel could have shallow cuts on the inside of the
>>> > bilge to allow bending and only need a little glassing to finish. The panels
>>> > don't seem to be that much more than doing it yourself and would take some
>>> > of the stress out of things and should come in at a good weight and quality
>>> > being heat pressed. There may be no weight difference in the final boat. Not
>>> > sure of the costs of transporting 6 large panels compared to packs of 50
>>> > small ones. 6.25 x 1.250 might be more feasible. I am waiting to find the
>>> > actual price of double bias 440g preglassed to get a better comparison of
>>> > price.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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