Subject: [harryproa] Re: 60' atlantic proa
From: Mike Crawford
Date: 7/26/2010, 5:07 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Dennis,

  That is extremely cool.  Thanks for pointing out the video link.  You could probably do this with a purpose-built trailer and a stub mast in a separate socket (1/3 full mast height, used to lift the primary mast at its center of gravity) , no crane required. 

  Now I *really* want to see you build it.  I've said many times that i want the largest trailerable boat I can get, and this would certainly qualify.  Actually, I'd be willing to put up with a 12' width, but fitting into 8.5' is even more impressive.

  I had actually brought up atlantic vs. harryrproa in a post right before the one you responded to, but for some reason the post didn't make it.  (thus my comment about ignoring my question about how the boat goes on the trailer).

  I'm partial to the harryproa design for the following reasons:  a) more space in the windward hull,  b) heeling moment decreases, or remains the same, as you fly a hull, while heeling moment increases with the atlantic design,  c) stresses are in line with the hull, while the atlantic has to translate rig stress through the beams to that long leeward hull, and  d) the possibility of popping back up after a knockdown.

  As far as handling the sails, a leeward design might offer more safety in a schooner configuration (from the tramp), while a single mast would probably offer safer sail handling with the atlantic (from the cockpit).

  But I'm sure you're familiar with all that.  Your design has more than enough space to deal with masts in the windward hull, and the taller leeward hull needed for a rig there might get in the way of your trailering setup.  As long as you don't sail on the very edge, there shouldn't be any issues.

  I wouldn't put on a pod for safety as cavalier suggests.  If you're sailing an atlantic proa hard enough to fly a hull, in anything other than flat water, there's a good chance you'll be going fast enough to trip over any pod small enough to justify its own weight penalty.

  What are you planning for steering and leeway resistance?

        - Mike

 
On 7/26/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Cox wrote:

 
Hey Mike,
 
Did you see the video... on post #9.  It might clear things up.  Unless you've already seen it... :)
 
Also, I'm still bouncing between Atlantic and HarryProa placement of the sails (windward, leeward hulls).  I've got pros and cons on both sides and the tally list is still balanced.  Fortunately, the hulls and internal configurations don't have to be changed either way.  So... I've got PLENTY of time to decide. 
 
Dennis

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