Subject: Re: [harryproa] 60' Trailerable Proa
From: Michael Gehl
Date: 7/27/2010, 1:39 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Dennis - comments inline...

On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Dennis Cox wrote:



Hey Mike,
 
Thank you for taking the time to help me out.  I value anyone's actual experience over my rationalizations.  I've never seen a Proa in the flesh, much less sailed one.  Here are some of my rationalizations... please point out anything that is wrong.

I didn't mean to imply any experience whatsoever with a proa. Plenty of cat time, though, and as we all know most cats are no more than a misshapen proa with a mast halfway between a harry and Atlantic position!

 
In my brief, I state two configurations... racing and cruising.  The idea being... if I was trailering to a race, I would unload the "cargo" in the lee hull.  Similarly, if I was cruising around and "found" a race to play in, and if I sized up the competition, I could unload the "cargo" at the dock and go have some fun.  That leeward cargo includes, most of the potable water, all fuel, portable generator(s), some of the battery bank.  I'm looking at electric motors so the battery weight is sizable.  It also includes toys like kayaks, bikes and general "junk" that any couple gathers in the attic.

With the "junk in the trunk" I'd be curious how that gets loaded on the trailer...

 
In race mode, we'd be on top of it all the time so getting caught aback shouldn't be an issue.  In fact, in light airs (in a race) I'd plan on running as a Pacific and freek out the competition by tacking and/or shunting at will.  In Pacific "mode" as you suggest, I'd more readily fly the long hull (old lee hull) and remove its surface drag.

In race mode it'd probably be better to get the windward hull up in the air, as the longer hull would be more optimal at higher speeds. Of course that assumes there would be wind to support higher speeds. Have a hunch lifting that hull may be easier with the harry config, with less stuff in the ww hull.

 
When running conservative... in cruise mode, the leeward righting moment is 170,000 ft-lbs.  To windward, its 57,000 ft-lbs (33% of leeward).  So I would have had to be running pretty hard (more than 33%) before the shift to be an issue.  Also, its my understanding, that the EasyRig weather vanes in an aback situation.

It's obvious you've given this some serious thought. How do you sheet the sails on the Atlantic version?

 
Although I have not decided, I am also looking into doing wings instead of an EasyRig.  In that case, they will not use sheets, but will have attached rudders controlling their angle of attack.  They should wheather vane and eliminate any possiblity of going aback.

Now there's a solution!

 
I am concerned that I'm missing something fundamental.  Besides the possible lighter weight of the leeward hull, is there anything about the sail placement (HarryProa vs Atlantic) that makes aback more sensative on an Atlantic?

My main concern was over the trippiness of the windward-mounted boards, and a weird hunch that somehow a sail in line with the roll center makes a better lever arm. Statics class was too far in the swirling mists of time   to summon up useful memories...

Looks like a fun project. May you have great success - and keep posting!

Mike

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