Rob
How much faster (roughly) will the boat be than if it was, say 350mm x 0.2 chord?
robOn Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Rick Willoughby <rickwill@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Rob
It is a 10% section so only 10mm thick. Steel will flex about 38mm so aluminium or fibreglass are not suitable. Needs to have yield above 450MPa hence material options not wide. CF would work.
Of course it only needs to produce those forces if there is enough righting moment to counter the sail. Until I do some force balances with his proposed hulls and layout I do not know if that is remotely possible.If nothing else it shows why aspect ratio is usually limited to around 4.RickOn 13/08/2010, at 6:35 PM, Rob Denney wrote:0.1 chord is going to be a very thin section (15mm?). It may not break, but at 700mm long and 20 knots I think it will bend and twist, a lot.
rob
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:01 PM, willoughby_rick <rickwill@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Dennis
It is poets day here right now and my thoughts are already onto the weekend activities.
I have been thinking about the difficulty of managing rudder ventilation. Fencing is one method and I have another idea to try without using fences but with the talk about mast bearings I started to think about through-hull rudders.
If you use rudders 0.6 to 0.7m deep they should only need to be about 0.1m chord length to develop the required power. They will certainly turn you if they cannot completely cancel leeway. With that in mind I was thinking you could build a well into either end of the hull that goes from bottom to deck that can accept a drop-in rudder bearing block.
I designed something similar to this for a drop-in pedal drive leg although in this case the well was within the cabin:
http://picasaweb.google.com/adventuresofgreg/ExpeditionBoatBuilding?feat=flashalbum#5378098100766812562
The block that takes the shaft tube is moulded in chockfast that sits inside a matching CF well that is higher than the waterline. This shows how neatly the block matched the hull:
http://picasaweb.google.com/adventuresofgreg/ExpeditionBoatBuilding?feat=flashalbum#5377035108790569554
And from inside the cabin:
http://picasaweb.google.com/adventuresofgreg/ExpeditionBoatBuilding?feat=flashalbum#5378098468295589570
You would make rudders as blades that slide down into a slot within a swiveling tube. That tube would be supported by bearings in a drop-in block that mates to the well.
A rudder that is ventilating has about 30% of the lift of one that is not ventilating. So there is big benefits in avoiding ventilation.
A well in the hull may actually simplify the rudder mounting and reduce the bits that need to hang off some mounting point. It reduced the forces at the bearings because they are as close to the blade as you can possibly get.
The forces on even a small blade like this are not trivial. If you ever manage to get to 20kts each of them will be capable of generating 2400N. The force will ultimately be limited by your righting moment but it still ends up being significant at the rudders Maximum lift occurs at 6 degrees so not much room for wobbling rudders with floppy supports.
You may never get to 20 knots but if you do not design for it in the first place then you could break lots of things in a thrilling way before it all gets robust enough.
Rick
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