Subject: Re: [harryproa] Rig - windward or leeward?
From: Arto Hakkarainen
Date: 11/11/2010, 9:07 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

There have been many good points raised by Mike and others. A couple of additional thoughts:
 
The good spiral of redusing weight and loads is helped by not placing too much weight to ww hull. Having rig in lw hull helps. I think the optimal weight distribution would be between 60/40 and 50/50 between the hulls. If the ww hull has too much weight it will slow down the boat in most conditions. Only in situations when maximum righting moment counts the maximum weight in ww hull helps. In all other situations it may be liability. Light easily driven boat with 60 % of weight in ww hull should have plenty of stability. Having a light and easily driven boat helps performance in all conditions.
 
Arto

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Mike Crawford <mcrawf@nuomo.com> wrote:

From: Mike Crawford <mcrawf@nuomo.com>
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Rig - windward or leeward?
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 7:43 PM

 

  I'd say there are several disadvantages.

  - As you point out, masts can't help prevent a capsize.  Once you're over, you're over.  With the rig(s) in the lw hull, you might have the chance to pop back up if things get pushed too far.

  - The shorter ww hull provides fewer options for sheeting angles.  With rigs in the lw hull, you can sheet out further to the bows and/or back to the ww hull.

  - As you fly a hull, the sails raise higher into the air, getting more wind high up, and adding their area to the area of the tramps/deck that's catching wind.  With rigs in the lw hull, the sails lower as the boat flies a hull, and the tramps/deck blanket the rigs.

  - The ww hull has to be a lot stronger to handle the structural loads, adding weight to the boat.

  - The ww hull would also lose some accommodation due to the masts.

  - The fore/aft rig loads and fore/aft hull loads would be on different hulls, requiring the beams to carry a lot of torsion/wracking loads, requiring stronger beams and attachment points, adding weight to the boat.  With rigs in the lw hull, the wind and water loads all line up on the same axis.

         Mike

 
On 11/10/2010 6:01 AM, John wrote:
 
In a weight to windward proa, what are the benefits/disadvantages of putting the rig on the windward or leeward hulls?

With a single mast I can understand the problems of a windward rig - mast in the way and stronger construction required. However with a schooner rig aligned with the crossbeams both of these disadvantages appear to disappear. An advantage would be even greater weight to windward. Maybe a disadvantage would be when blown over the rig hits the water when the proa is beyond the point of no return but this should not affect a cruiser.

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