I mean both. And cabins are not necessary if enough convenience and privacy are possible. I am thinking of a situation of family with children sharing the two cabins/other sleeping places in ww hull with enough privacy for parents and possibility to keep social activities going after small children went to bed. The third would be for guests/grandparents/whoever is sailing with us and could/should be separated from the other cabins.
I have been inside the lee hull of Ono and it is excellent for storage but I prefer not to use it for accommodation and sleeping. At least not without flares or other ways of making it wide enough for convenience and double bed. Using saloon table and settees for bed is good for weekend but not for longer periods. That is why a place for occasional extra sleepers would be good but not abssolutely necessary.
Arto
--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: sol ?
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:24 AM
Do you mean in the ww hull, lw hull or both? Rare Bird has 2 doubles and a single in the ww hull, but none of them have doors, which would make them cabins. Also has a pipe berth either side of the mast which could be jazzed up fairly easily. The saloon table could also be lowered to make a double. If you want cabins, the lee hull ones could be seperated with a mast bulkhead, and doors could be fitted in the ww hull to close off the doubles, but not the single. rob
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Arto Hakkarainen <ahakkara@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Rob,
Right answer but it seems I asked the wrong question :) What I had in mind was how to fit three cabins to the regular harryproa/visionarry layout? But due to some reason that was not the question I typed...
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 2:16 AM
Either that, or a two cabins, one with 2 singles, one with a double. As there is only 7-8 m between the masts, three individual cabins is a tight fit. Can cantilever the bunks off the inside of the hulls, but this is either too high from the outside, or two low to sleep in. Actually sleeping is not so bad, but making the beds is. A better bet would be to make the hull longer, if you want three seperate cabins.
rob
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Arto Hakkarainen <ahakkara@yahoo.com> wrote:
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So there is a double in the middle of lee hull and singles closer to masts I assume. Reason I asked is finding ideas on how to fit three cabins to the design. Third cabin could be a separate and not too comfortable guest cabin.
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 1:15 PM
No. Very different. Schooner rig, berths (1 double cabin, 2 singles) in the lee hull, only storage in the windward hull, with the cabin sitting on the bridge deck. The owner is an experienced tropical sailor and a minimalist. The layout is designed accordingly along with ease of living and building. Looks different to anything else I have done, or seen and was a lot of fun to design. rob
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Arto Hakkarainen <ahakkara@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Rob,
Is the accommodation layout in the custom 15 m design similar to visionarries? I mean two berts and saloon in the middle?
From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: sol ?
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 1:19 PM
No flooding here, in fact the sun came out a couple of days ago and summer has finally begun. Even went for a blast on Elementarry the other day. The recut sail is a disaster, and the unround drainpipe rudder bearings need to be replaced, but it was good to get out on the water. Never heard of containers larger than 40', which does not mean that they don't exist. Most of the panels could be fitted into a high top 40' container, and the bits that couldn't could have joins built in. No idea how many boats worth of panels would go in one container, but suspect 2 or 3. Or get together and visit some of your local builders and see what they come up with. If the canted rig works, we should get light sheet loads on a una rig, which makes a schooner more usable. 53' easyrig would be ok for a 40'ter, or a schooner. Or a telescoping mast, if it works.
The cruising 15 is a one off, may not appeal to everybody, but is a very good minimalist boat. The advantages of the flat panels is that it is pretty easy to draw and build whatever you require. Either start sketching or let me know some parameters and I will do it for you to critique. regards, rob
The rain is a bit off the topic of this thread, but I hope you are doing alright!
Back on thread...Count me in as another Marylander interested in your projects. Maybe we need to enlighten some boatbuilder over here about the virtues of your designs and the flatpanel/infusion build methods. Or we need to learn more about container shipping.
I'd love to hear more about the cruising design planned next.
On containers, here in the US we see 48 foot containers on the road and the rails. I've read of 53 footers but haven't really seen any. Are there any in Australia? Or is it strictly 20s and 40s? I wonder if the ports are set up for them, or if there is a huge premium in cost.
My design brief for the boat would include:
single hand boat with live-aboard accomodation for two with occasional guests.
I like the idea of no thru hulls, motors that are out of the water for sailing, rudders/boards that lay OUT of the water when
not used...
Not critical, but nice to have for the short term is 53 foot bridge clearance. It would be nice to moor in my neighborhood, but it is only a mile in a dinghy to get below that bridge! That said, I like the concept of the Aerorig; lighter sheet loads etc. I know this is somewhat between the Visionarry and the Harry designs, hence the curiosity about the new project for cruisers.
Fair Winds
Mark Chimel
Riva Maryland
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