Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: pantograph harry proa
From: Rick Willoughby
Date: 5/13/2011, 6:33 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

ben

I have partially proven my determination that more flat on the bottom, heavily veed deck at the entry and low reserve volume in the ends does not have the same tendency to dive as other shapes.  

This shape does bury but it generates good lift without slowing. I believe the most significant contributer to the onset of pitchpoling occurs when the boat is slowed when driving into a wave and the inertia above the waterline wants to keep going.  If you can avoid the slowing bit then it digs a bit deeper into the wave until the lift from buoyancy and bow planing take over.


Rick

n 14/05/2011, at 4:09 AM, bjarthur123 wrote:

 

rick,

i understand about bow waves creating lift. but your analysis was done for flat water, no? what about storm waves?

it would be prudent in rough conditions to have a way to lift the bow even higher than occurs with the bow wave alone. so that when you nose dive into the back of a wave you don't pitchpole.

this is normally done by putting weight aft. from the crew, or water ballast. i don't see a way to do it in a "normal" proa. hence my inquiry about a pantograph.

ben

> The bow wave creates buoyant lift and the water leaving the stern
> creates a trough causing the stern to sink or squat. Once the hull
> is moving there is a tendency for the bow to "float" higher and the
> aft to squat. These are purely displacement phenomena with no planing
> forces involved until the speed increases.
>
> The wide transom on hulls designed for planing cause the stern to
> sink at displacement speed and give the pronounced bow up attitude so
> these sort of hulls will leap onto the plane if there is enough
> power. Long slender hulls with canoe sterns do not trim bow up as
> markedly but the do trim bow up.
>
> I have analysed this for what Dennis Cox was playing around with
> earlier and it is not difficult to produce bow up trim with typical
> sail plans and proa style lw hull optimised for high speed. The
> fullness of the ends have a lot to do with this trimming. Very fine
> ends tends to be easily pressed deeper - small bow wave. Full ends
> want to lift at the bow and squat at the stern. Once they trim up
> dynamic lift comes into play at higher speed.
>
> There is drag from the waves produced by the ends but there is also a
> reduction in wetted surface with the high resulting Cb that reduces
> total drag at higher displacement speed. So longer hulls are not
> necessarily best for higher speed even in displacement mode.
>
> The Flotilla software I use has the ability to determine the trim for
> any hull form in displacement mode. So it is an iterative approach
> to see if there is enough bow-up trim to counter the bow-down
> tendency from the sail drive. The height of the CoE is a key factor
> as well as the shape of the bows.


Rick Willoughby
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0419 104 821


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