Subject: Re: [harryproa] Control Surface Choices
From: Rick Willoughby
Date: 5/16/2011, 1:03 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Hello Doug

What for!  A sail would slow me down and make life complicated.  I can hold 7kts straight to windward on mine, which is a meter longer than the blue one.  That is with a 1951 model engine with a continuous rating of 120W.

I have only once been asked to take part in a race with the local Saturday afternoon sailing fleet.  It was light conditions and I completed two laps of a triangular course before the fastest sailor finished the first.  I had packed up and left before most finished the race.

First and only time I was asked to race the sailing boats.

This is why I am keen to explore solar power.  With efficient hulls and props it is possible to do a lot with a small amount of power.

Rick

 
On 16/05/2011, at 2:39 PM, Doug Haines wrote:

 

Hello Rick,
 
You could put a sail on that I suppose.
 
Doug

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Rick Willoughby <rickwill@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

From: Rick Willoughby <rickwill@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [harryproa] Control Surface Choices
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Monday, 16 May, 2011, 10:42

 
The design space for the rudders opens up when combined with a centreboard.  

The rudders do not need to be sized for leeway prevention.  With a balanced rig they will do very little work.  Their size is governed by their ability to survive a hit. Their contribution to drag is low so if they are ventilating or not it does not make much difference.  The leading one under the hull is prone to ventilate anyhow.

A possibility would be to use two dipping rudders at either end preset at about 5 degrees or more.  Essentially there is no rudder drag and nothing to foul most of the time.  As soon as the rudder is lifted clear any fouling drops off.  Most of the steering could be achieved with the rudders immersed shallower than the bottom of the hull.  The steering force is a function of the level of immersion.

This is the solution I have used on my pedal boats to avoid fouling and damage when hit with logs.  I use different methods of operation.  The simplest is control lines to immerse and spring return but I have also made a simple counter-rotating gearbox so one rudder lifts higher as the other goes lower.  Rob has seen both arrangements.

This shows the counter-rotating set up:
There is a 6mm diameter shaft from the starboard grab handle to the rudder box to control the immersion.  Similar to any ventilating rudder they deflect water to produce the steering force.   

A counter-rotating box could be set within the end of the hulls with the shafts coming out not too far above the waterline on either side of the hull.  Only the trailing pair would be used unless in a tight space or possibly during a shunt.   The box could be outside the hull but then it presents more resistance when forced through waves.  If hit the rudders are free to rotate upward against the applied control force.

Rick Willoughby



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