Subject: Re: [harryproa] Flat lay-ups - vacuuming
From: Dennis Cox
Date: 5/17/2011, 8:15 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Hi Rob, Doug, et al,
 
I've always been enamored with the infusion method due to its speed to fabricate, cleanliness and particularly its strength superiority.  My only trouble for my more one-off mentality has always been building the tables.  I must have had a mental block, but it never crossed my mind about JUST using the floor.  In your case building tables is a no-brainer... you can easily justify it over the life of many projects.  But for us that have only one big boat in us... what troubles would you expect doing it on the concrete floor?
 
Dennis

 


From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com>
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 2:51:19 AM
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Flat lay-ups - vacuuming

 

Suction until it gels, a couple of hours or so depending on gel time.  Longish cure time resin (40 minutes), heating not necessary, but it definitely gets stiffer during the few days after infusing, which makes bending and shaping easier.  7 kgs at a time works well with no exotherm.

Concrete floor works well, one side at a time, as long as it is, or can be made, level, flat and smooth.  Not sure I would infuse on it though.

rob

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 

G'Day Rob,
 
Thanks for that info.
How long do you have to keep the suction on for?
And is that resin like regular setting time or slow cooking type resin?
If it is coming out of a bucket then that could heat up itself and go into meltdown easily.
Suppose you can add more as you mix it a couple of litres at a time?
 
I was talking to Herb (Desson) about his experiment at flat panel vacuuming and he said it worked okay on his concrete floor of shed.
It may have been one side at a time though.
Would it be simpler without a big table if the floor wasreasonable?
 
I hope to visit Thailand and check Herb's worknext month.
Planning to crew across the South China Sea from the Philippines to Thailand.
Any available crew interested in a few days crossing?
 
Doug

--- On Mon, 16/5/11, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [harryproa] BJ's Flat Panel Harry
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Monday, 16 May, 2011, 10:35

 
Takes one guy a day or so to set up, depending on how large/complex the panel is, couple of hours to infuse (includes setting up and testing the vacuum), overnight to cure and another day to clean up the table, trim the panel, remove the lines, bleeder and peel ply and polish the table for next time.  Probably less than a week, but better to err on the expensive side when doing a general pricing.

Actual suck time is 40 minutes.  Comparing this to hand layup and bag time for a 16m x 4m  job, with all the complex tow and laminate orientations possible with an infusion, never ceases to make me smile. 

rob

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Doug Haines <doha720@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 
Rob,

How do you mean that the panel infusing takes a week?
What takes so long to do on that?
The actual resin will suck in in a few hours and then set over the next 12 hours?

Doug


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