Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: autpilot
From: Paul Wilson
Date: 7/8/2011, 11:12 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

The book "Pen Duick" by Eric Tabarly has a chapter devoted to wind vanes for high speed sailboats.  It is quite technical but it has a good write-up on the issues involved.  Also "Self Steering for Sailing Craft" by John Letcher is an awesome book, the bible on wind self-steering, IMO.  

I have also seen windvanes on multihulls but the ones I have seen would probably rarely get over 15 knots.  I think the problem  is the shift in apparent wind with varying wind speeds but also the foil design.  I think it is a real challenge to have a foil large enough for slow speed but small enough that it doesn't fly apart at high speed.  At high speed (>15 knots?) you can get severe vibrations, cavitation, and over steering since the amount of rudder deflection required to turn the boat is much less at high speed.  It is also always a trade-off with windvanes between being light  (delicate) but responsive and heavy (strong) and unresponsive.  This is  big challenge with heavy monohulls,  but an even bigger challenge with high speed multi-hulls. 
 
As far as electronic autopilots go, use a tiller pilot if you can.   They are much less money and more reliable.  Wrap them in a plastic bag to keep the spray and water off and they will last much longer since the seals on some are pretty poor. The flux gates inside are fragile and have tiny wires that are easily damaged but if you treat your tiller-pilot like eggs and don't bang it around, it should last many years.  

My personal experience is that the new Raymarine wheel pilots are junk.   The old ones like in the old Autohelm 3000 were poor but the new wheel mounted units are even worse.  The engineers have gone for tiny motors in order to get the current draw down but it is a poor trade-off in reliability.  The tiny motors burn out, the belts regularly fail and they are made almost entirely of crappy plastic parts.  Raymarine does a great business in selling parts for them.  If you get WD-40 near the plastic, it will fall apart.  The motors are actually cheap hobby motors that are less than $5 from China but Raymarine glues a gear on that is impossible to get off and then charges you well over $100.  Needless to say, I am not a fan.

If you have wheel steering and can't use a tiller pilot, it is much better to have the type that fits direct to the quadrant via a ram or direct to the steering cables with an electric motor.  The hydraulic units are OK too but can be noisy.   All these options are expensive and relatively power hungry.

Cheers, Paul

On 7/9/2011 7:40 AM, Michael Fischer wrote:

 

I have seen windvanes on multihulls.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:27 PM, bjarthur123 <bjarthur123@yahoo.com> wrote:
 



i have been told by the manufacturer and read accounts online that self-steering wind vanes do not work on multihulls:

http://www.selfsteer.com/windvanes101/index.php

they could not explain why. i'm guessing it has something to do with the large difference between true and apparent wind due to the high boat speeds, as what else is different with monohulls. but it is not clear to me why that would be a problem.

has anyone had experience with such a system? or have any idea why it doesn't work on multihulls?

they draw NO (zero) power! a beautifully clever idea.

ben



> what kind of autopilot would you recommend for a harryproa?
>
> which types have been used successfully?
>
> energy draw?



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