Subject: Re: [harryproa] My problems with the aero rig on the Blind Date
From: Rob Denney
Date: 8/18/2011, 8:31 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Quite a lot of work, actually.  


The forestays will exert considerable down loads on the mast step, which is not designed for it.  And equivalent up loads on the ends of the hull, which are also not designed for it.  There is also nowhere to sheet the headsails as the hull is so narrow.  You will also need one, possibly two more winches plus tracks or similar on the deck to control the jib sheeting.

Because access to the hull ends is impossible in a seaway, you will need furlers, and to be absolutely confident that they will never jam, break or misfurl the sail.   The drag from the aft furler will be considerable, as will the weight aloft of the two headsails, furlers and additional mast strengthening that they will require.  

You will need a very substantial vang for the main boom (or a boom even bigger than the one you already have as there is no mainsheet traveller or jib to balance the load) and a multi purchase mainsheet as the rig will not be balanced.

The attachment point of the forestays to the mast will need to rotate through 350 degrees to allow for unintentional gybes or getting caught aback.  This happens very rarely, but if you don't allow for it, the forestays will be ripped out of the mast. 

Your upwind performance may be as good as the easy rig, but reaching it will be worse, and broad reaching with the headsail flopping about in the lee of the main, it will be hopeless.  Downwind, you will need to pole out or sheet the genoa to windward, reducing your course options considerably.   Shunting will wear you out.  Instead of one lightly loaded sheet to dump and pull in you will have to release a highly loaded jib sheet and furl the flogging jib.  Then dump the multi part mainsheet and pull it all back in.  Then sheet in the highly loaded, flogging new jib sheet. 

Rob

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM, <arttuheinonen@heinoset.net> wrote:
 

Hi!

Transform the mast to a wing mast with a wishbone boom. Then attach two forestays and play with headsails. Some work, but you already have a good solid mast to go on.

Regards,

Arttu

Nol Twigt [noltwigt@yahoo.com] kirjoitti:
>
> Let's start with advantages:
>
> There is not much power on the sheet. That makes the rig very simple and
> very easy to handle.
>
> It is a self tacking system. Not much work when tacking. Shunting
> requires more power, however it is also kind of easy.
>
>
>
>
> I have whole list of disadvantages from all sort of angles.
>
> The main thing is simply a matter of control. We have lots of shallow
> waters int the Netherlands. If you want to sail on the Waddenzee for
> example, you need to be able to sail with the rudders (almost) pulled
> up. This is impossible with an easy rig that is positioned in the middle
> of the leeward hull. End of story.
>
>
>
>
> Now let's look at the aero rig from other angles.
>
> Let me start with a matter of taste, so my cards are open on the table.
>
>
>
>
> Subjective arguments:
>
> - I do not like the way an easy rig looks. It does not look
> 'aerodynamically right'. Usually if things do not look fast they are not
> fast.
>
> - It looks kind of unnatural because it seems to be lifted from the
> ship. It is not one with the ship.
>
> - The look and feel is kind of lazy. Not interested, taking things too
> easy. Statical, almost dead.
>
>
>
>
> Mechanical arguments:
>
> - The strongest forces are the vertical forces on the forestay and the
> leech of the mainsail. These enormous forces are countered by a boom
> that must be very strong and will be very heavy. This is not an elegant
> solution. It is brute force.
>
>
>
>
> Sailors arguments
>
> - On the Blind Date the boom connected to the mast with a hinge. The
> result is that you can not trim the mainsail and the jib independently.
> You want much tension on the luff of the jib and little tension on the
> leech of the main. The topping lift could solve that problem, but that
> does not work on both bows. Two topping lifts would be better, but that
> would mean an extra line to take care of after every shunt. It would
> make it an a little less easy rig.
>
> - You can not sheet the mainsail and the jib independently. You can not
> steer the ship with the sails. You can not play with the waves and the
> sails.
>
> - There are situations where you want to let go the mainsail without
> changing the jib. For instance when you are overpowered in a gust. In
> strong winds the mast has so much friction that it does not turn when
> the sheet is released. Not safe.
>
>
>
>
> Applied on a proa (controlling and steering the ship with the sails)
>
> The COE (Center of Effort) is behind the mast. This is necessary to get
> some power on the sheet and to make the rig turn when the sheet is
> released. The result is momentum 1 that makes the ship want to turn its
> nose into the wind.
>
> The mast is placed on the leeward hull. The COE is on the leeward side
> of the ship. The result is momentum 2 that makes the ship want to turn
> its nose into the wind.
>
> Momentum 1 + momentum 2 make the ship by definition out of balance.
>
> The balance can only be restored by using big strong rudders. The back
> rudder is used as a daggerboard.
>
> This is again countering enormous forces with other brute forces: not
> elegant.
>
> In shallow waters, when you need to pull the rudders up, the ship will
> be out of control. Momentum 1 + 2 are not countered anymore. The ship
> will turn it's nose into the wind.
>
>
>
>
> Applied on the Visionarry proa's
>
> Visionarry looks modern, light, fast, like a flying saucer or a fighter
> plane, hi-tech.
>
> The aero rig looks old fashioned, slow, low-tech.
>
> On a light ship that is built for speed, control is a crucial factor.
> The aero rig is static and does not contribute to the control of the
> ship. It needs extra control for it self.
>
>


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