Isn't this natural tendency a design goal in general?

--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote:
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> True
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> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
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> > The natural tendency of the HP is to round up into the wind (weather helm).
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> > --- On *Sun, 28/8/11, Rob Denney <harryproa@...>* wrote:
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> > From: Rob Denney <harryproa@...>
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: position of rudders, beams and masts
> > To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
> > Received: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 5:17 PM
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> > Based on my experiences with El, yes. Based on the Blind date experience,
> > no. Perhaps if they were bigger on BD.
> >
> > rob
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> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 6:13 AM, LucD <lucjdekeyser@...<http://mc/compose?to=lucjdekeyser@...>
> > > wrote:
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> > Thank you, Rob, for this explanation. So rudders on the beams could have
> > worked on BD, one way or another?
> >
> > Luc
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> > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au<http://mc/compose?to=harryproa%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > Rob Denney <harryproa@> wrote:
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> > > The load from the sails on a schooner rig increases lee helm the further
> > > apart they are, as the front rig does more work/has more sheet loads.
> > > There needs to be enough foil in the water to resist leeway, which is
> > solely
> > > a function of sail area and hull shape, not rig location. If the rudders
> > > are smaller than this, there needs to be a board or keel. If the rudders
> > > are large enough and both are going to be used it doesn't matter how
> > close
> > > to the ends they are, apart from non sailing reasons. Some of these are
> > > access, tiller length and hull strength.
> > >
> > > I like rudders on the beams for safety and ease of construction, and the
> > > beams close together to minimise water drag, tensioning the tramp and
> > > reducing the length of hull that needs reinforcing. So everything is
> > > related, and not always just to optimise the sailing performance.
> > >
> > > There are a few generalities in the above, but it pretty much conveys my
> > > experience with the schooner rig in El. The owner of the KSS El is
> > putting
> > > 3 mast steps in his boat, so we may get some feedback on schooners in the
> > > bigger sizes.
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> > > rob
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