So what part of your boat makes it Robs design the weight to windward , the hull forms, the sail what the rudders what?
Todd
I'm still confused.
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Gardner Pomper <gardner@...> wrote:
>
> The web page states: "*Madness* was inspired by, and designed in direct
> consultation with, proa guru Russell
> Brown<http://www.clcboats.com/life-of-boats-blog/russell-brown-on-proas.html>."
> So, it sounds sort of like what I am doing with my harryproa designs. They
> are really Rob's designs, but all the mistakes are my fault <grin>.
>
> - Gardner
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, tsstproa <bitme1234@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Which is it CLC design or Russel's? Looks just like one of Russel's pacific
> > proas. I'm confused. A little help please.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> > The Pacific/Brown design is a good way to go if you want the ultimate
> > > light-wind sailing craft, and are willing to put up with a stayed mast
> > > (rigging, stresses, points of failure, risk of bad things happening when
> > > caught aback, limited sail orientation, etc.), and look forward to
> > > balancing the boat as winds change.
> > >
> > > And I don't say that snidely -- people have been using stayed rigs for
> > > thousands of years, and pacific multihullers have been balancing their
> > > craft forever. For some, that fun of maxing out one's speed while
> > > balancing the weight is not a detraction, but is actually *the* point.
> > > It's fun.
> > >
> > > I think it's great that CLC worked on this craft and is making it more
> > > available/accessible to the world at large. I like their other proa,
> > > too, and am curious about their rudder design.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Personally, though, I'm looking for something one step up from this
> > > design. I've had plenty of fun balancing weight, and since I have a
> > > small boat for doing that, the larger boat will have other requirements,
> > > particularly safety and convenience.
> > >
> > > Which brings me to the Harry with its unstayed mast in the lee hull.
> > > I suppose you could try this with the CLC design, but reinforcing that
> > > hull without goofing up the accommodations would be a serious
> > > challenge. In any case, I'd have to lean towards the Harry because:
> > >
> > > - One point of failure on the mast.
> > >
> > > - Totally depowers at any point of sail at any wind strength.
> > >
> > > - No shrouds to affect where the sail goes when running.
> > >
> > > - More weight to windward for when the wind picks up.
> > >
> > > - Less balancing required; more easily controlled, handled, and
> > > depowered by inexperiernced or injured crew.
> > >
> > > - Ability to lie in irons, for long periods of time, at any angle,
> > > with the sail up, or while reefing it. I can't tell you how stressful
> > > it is to try to reef a lightweight overpowered cat single handed when
> > > the wind suddenly becomes much to strong.
> > >
> > > - Easier lazy sailing.
> > >
> > > - Mast depowering in gusts.
> > >
> > >
> > > For that I'll take the extra weight of the Harry. Which is NOT a
> > > knock against the CLC design. It's a great boat, as are Brown's
> > > designs. It's just not what I'm looking for if I'm going to take my
> > > family out of sight of land.
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > > / /
> > >
> > >
> > > Gardner Pomper wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The timing of this post is very interesting, as it was only 2 days ago
> > > > that I found a new Russ Brown inspired proa is about to be launched by
> > > > the owner of Chesapeake Light Craft, a pretty famous manufacturer of
> > > > kayak kits in this area. Here is a link to the web page about the
> > > >
> > boathttp://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/wooden-sailboat-kits/proa/madness-31-foot-pacific-proa.html
> >
> > > > , which has a nice video explaining the benefits of a proa and showing
> > > > how it was built.
> > > >
> > > > I have to admit, from all the redesigns that I have gone through with
> > > > the harryproas, that it definitely seems like more accomodations could
> > > > be put in a 1000 lb harryproa, but I am really excited that there will
> > > > be a proa of any kind in my backyard. They are hoping to show it in
> > > > the Annapolis Boat Show in a month, so alot more people should be
> > > > exposed to proas there. I already stopped by and looked at it in their
> > > > workshop, where it looks complete.
> > > >
> > > > Who knows, if I can ever get the money together for a harry, maybe we
> > > > can finally have that race between an harry and a brown proa! <grin>
> > > >
> > > > - Gardner
> > > > Pasadena, MD (20 miles from Annapolis)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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