Which is it CLC design or Russel's? Looks just like one of Russel's pacific proas. I'm confused. A little help please.

Todd

The Pacific/Brown design is a good way to go if you want the ultimate
> light-wind sailing craft, and are willing to put up with a stayed mast
> (rigging, stresses, points of failure, risk of bad things happening when
> caught aback, limited sail orientation, etc.), and look forward to
> balancing the boat as winds change.
>
> And I don't say that snidely -- people have been using stayed rigs for
> thousands of years, and pacific multihullers have been balancing their
> craft forever. For some, that fun of maxing out one's speed while
> balancing the weight is not a detraction, but is actually *the* point.
> It's fun.
>
> I think it's great that CLC worked on this craft and is making it more
> available/accessible to the world at large. I like their other proa,
> too, and am curious about their rudder design.
>
> ---
>
> Personally, though, I'm looking for something one step up from this
> design. I've had plenty of fun balancing weight, and since I have a
> small boat for doing that, the larger boat will have other requirements,
> particularly safety and convenience.
>
> Which brings me to the Harry with its unstayed mast in the lee hull.
> I suppose you could try this with the CLC design, but reinforcing that
> hull without goofing up the accommodations would be a serious
> challenge. In any case, I'd have to lean towards the Harry because:
>
> - One point of failure on the mast.
>
> - Totally depowers at any point of sail at any wind strength.
>
> - No shrouds to affect where the sail goes when running.
>
> - More weight to windward for when the wind picks up.
>
> - Less balancing required; more easily controlled, handled, and
> depowered by inexperiernced or injured crew.
>
> - Ability to lie in irons, for long periods of time, at any angle,
> with the sail up, or while reefing it. I can't tell you how stressful
> it is to try to reef a lightweight overpowered cat single handed when
> the wind suddenly becomes much to strong.
>
> - Easier lazy sailing.
>
> - Mast depowering in gusts.
>
>
> For that I'll take the extra weight of the Harry. Which is NOT a
> knock against the CLC design. It's a great boat, as are Brown's
> designs. It's just not what I'm looking for if I'm going to take my
> family out of sight of land.
>
> - Mike
> / /
>
>
> Gardner Pomper wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> >
> > The timing of this post is very interesting, as it was only 2 days ago
> > that I found a new Russ Brown inspired proa is about to be launched by
> > the owner of Chesapeake Light Craft, a pretty famous manufacturer of
> > kayak kits in this area. Here is a link to the web page about the

> > boathttp://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/wooden-sailboat-kits/proa/madness-31-foot-pacific-proa.html

> > , which has a nice video explaining the benefits of a proa and showing
> > how it was built.
> >
> > I have to admit, from all the redesigns that I have gone through with
> > the harryproas, that it definitely seems like more accomodations could
> > be put in a 1000 lb harryproa, but I am really excited that there will
> > be a proa of any kind in my backyard. They are hoping to show it in
> > the Annapolis Boat Show in a month, so alot more people should be
> > exposed to proas there. I already stopped by and looked at it in their
> > workshop, where it looks complete.
> >
> > Who knows, if I can ever get the money together for a harry, maybe we
> > can finally have that race between an harry and a brown proa! <grin>
> >
> > - Gardner
> > Pasadena, MD (20 miles from Annapolis)
>