Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: under over buoyant or weight
From: Rob Denney
Date: 9/21/2011, 7:56 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

What Mike said, plus the following:  Attaching the beams to the schooner masts is a good idea, but it does not reduce the hull scantlings between the beams.  The max load is one mast capsizing the boat.  It makes little or no difference to the hull scantlings whether this is one mast between the beams or one at each beam.


If we took Elementarry  (7.5m/25' long, weight with one crew, 220 kgs/485 lbs) as an example, the lee hull would be about 200mms x 200 mms/8"x8" to have 100% buoyancy.  On Vis (15m, 3,000 kgs) it would be about 0.5m x 0.5m/20" x 20".   These would be very light, but not very stiff, would need stayed masts and the wetted surface increase when they submerged would slow them down.  They would have very little reserve buoyancy in the event of a nose dive.

I could be wrong.  Build a small one and see how it goes.

rob

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:24 AM, bjarthur123 <bjarthur123@yahoo.com> wrote:
 



perhaps it doesn't make sense on a harry or the two tris you mentioned, where there are foils in the lee hull. but on the weta you would lose control if the main hull flew because that's where the only rudder is.

it is a big safety feature in my mind then that the <100% floats on the weta make it impossible to fly the main hull. it makes it MORE forgiving, not less. check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuDEs_9sB8

the alternative on a boat with leeward foils is that you fly the main hull and risk capsizing to the side. which is more likely, that, or more drag from submerging a <100% float causing a pitchpole forward? i'm not sure. just thinking out loud here.

drag from the beams can be minimized. imagine a schooner harryproa whose two beams attach directly to faired stub masts. load paths wouldn't go through the hull, and with a smaller volume to boot, would be lighter too, no?

ben



--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Paul Wilson <opusnz@...> wrote:
> So what is the alternative? Less volume and it will go deeper in the
> water until the beam hits the water causing more drag or it capsizes.
> If the leeward hull submerges easily you won't be able to drive the boat
> as hard and it will be unforgiving and possibly dangerous.


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