asymm foil symetrical for to aft to start and connect the rudders to counter rotate. This will allow smaller aoa from each board and and better your helm control (steering of the boat) Boat will go exactly where you point it with very little helm input.

Todd

--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "Herb" <squirebug@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Todd,
>
> Very interesting. What shapes do you recommend?
>
> Best regards
> Herb
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "tsstproa" <bitme1234@> wrote:
> >
> > Just like your hulls so to should foils be.
> >
> > His are to pointy.
> >
> > I know what your saying at higher boat speeds your front rudder seems to be pushed through the water having no real effect. When with the just the slightest touch of the helm to steer the front rudders stalls completely.
> >
> > Try with linked boards and you will see a slight change for the better in over all stall angle and responsive steering with out stall. Try with linked boards and a better foil shape designed for the purpose and your eyes will pop out of your head in amazement....
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.basiliscus.com/ProaSections/ProaIndex.html for Tom Speer's two
> > > way foils, which are what I used.
> > >
> > > rob
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:39 AM, tsstproa <bitme1234@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you collide with something at 15 knots and happen to clear both bows and
> > > > only hit front steering board it should be by design allowed to kick up in
> > > > either direction mine do. I still want to refine the two arms connecting the
> > > > backer plate for steering bopards. I think I will raise the lower one piggy
> > > > back with upper and move linkage either up or down making it one brace
> > > > higher form waterline for each board.
> > > >
> > > > I don't follow Speer foils I here alot about them. What shape was the foil
> > > > you used? Was it bidirectional? Was it symmetrical fore to aft? was it
> > > > symmetrical windward leeward? Or?
> > > >
> > > > Were both boards down steering with linked counter rotatating or steering
> > > > with aft board only and front locked down in a fixed position?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not about it tracking straight, or working when linked. The problem
> > > > > for my boats, what happens when the front one kicks up in a collision or
> > > > > grounding at 15 knots. I also had problems with the Speer foil as a
> > > > rudder
> > > > > because it stalled sooner in one direction than the other.
> > > > >
> > > > > rob
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, tsstproa <bitme1234@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't see why it wouldn't track straight. Planes flight level
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two linked counter rotating rudders down will always be better than one
> > > > aft
> > > > > > rudder down on a shunting craft. Look at my shunts in videos with
> > > > linked vs
> > > > > > unlinked . Its simpler faster and more effective over raising ,lowering
> > > > ,and
> > > > > > rotating, two boards that are unlinked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My speed on current boat has been limited by sail area and design of
> > > > sail
> > > > > > Its A junk rig made of poly tarp and has sinse stretched out really bad
> > > > top
> > > > > > speed 12mph in about 15mph winds. I have a 120 sqft mylar full batten
> > > > custom
> > > > > > Hansen sail. But still need all the rigging.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Better yet would be to place a hobie 14 rig on my current boat and
> > > > test.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said I see no reason the foils can't be refined further for higher
> > > > > > speeds still being connected to maintain effect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simple aero dynamics a slant/ or angle is less efficient than a
> > > > striaght
> > > > > > non angled leading edge. Same with a tappered chord vs a non taper one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So why would you want to angle boards back for balance of boat sails
> > > > center
> > > > > > of effect and other factors. If balance is taken into consideration to
> > > > begin
> > > > > > with there is a buffer zone so to speak in lining up these force
> > > > instead of
> > > > > > angling boards aft which is inefficient!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't believe a single unattended foil with the rotation axis at
> > > > 50% of
> > > > > > > the chord will point straight ahead at 15 knots. Until I see one, and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > physics that explains why, I cannot agree that it is a good thing to
> > > > have
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > a boat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linked rudders solve a lot of problems, but unless they work when one
> > > > is
> > > > > > > raised, are no use. Rotating them aft is a solution, but is an extra
> > > > > > layer
> > > > > > > of complexity. As the rudders have to turn for steering, turning them
> > > > > > > through 180 on a shunt is no big deal, unless they are mounted on the
> > > > > > hull
> > > > > > > or utilise wheel steering, but even here, there are simpler methods.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rob
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