Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: elementarry telescoping wing mast
From: Rob Denney
Date: 2/22/2012, 11:24 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Reply-to:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Gardner,

The piece of mast with the boom attached in one of the photos is the original mast for the boat.  I am using it as a stub mast so I don't have to cut a hole in the hull and enlarge the bearings.  The 7.2m/24' section I have built is the bottom half of the telescoping mast.  I will use it to see if the batten controlled sail works or not, then build the top section, which will be a lot lighter.

Leading edge is glassed.  Mast looks pretty good for a bucket and brush job built in a confined space.  Weight is near enough 26 kgs/57 lbs which is way heavier than it needs to be.   Much stiffer than the original, though.  Be interesting to see what it does to the pitching tendencies of the boat.  Especially with another 7m on top!

Costs are:
2 sheets 5mm foam (would have been 3mm if I had vac bagged it): $181
18 kgs/40 lbs epoxy:$374
16 sq m 260 gsm d/bias: $114 
2.5 sq m 450 db (sheathing the polystyrene) $15
Polystyrene nose piece: $50
6 kgs carbon tow: $280
Total: $833
Also bought a couple of sheets of formica faced mdf for the table and a box of 150mm/6" long screws to fasten the back of the mast.

No idea of the time, but I spent about 3-4 hours a day on it, don't work weekends, so 8 days, 30 hours.  As usual. next one would be quicker, lighter and cheaper, but as a learning exercise for Sol's mast it has been very valuable.  

The above numbers do not include the time, money and effort that went into placating the wife so I could use the garage.  No sanding or electric tools (apart from battery screwdriver) so far, but to make it smooth and fair, I will need to find somewhere I can make some noise and dust.  

More photos uploaded.  The end on shot looks pretty awful as it is not trimmed, but gives an idea of what went into it.  The pvc pipe/bearing is 80mm/3.75" id. 

rob



On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Gardner Pomper <gardner@networknow.org> wrote:
 

Rob,


I have been looking at the photos and I must be missing something. It looks like a 2 part mast; stub and wing. How is it telescoping? Could you provide some more explanation? 

- Gardner


On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Ended up making a V section to hold the trailing edges together.
Heavy, but solid, and pretty easy to build. On this size mast, the
trailing edge would have been much simpler, cheaper and quicker in
polystyrene, with bulkheads where the battens go. Good practice for
the big one, though.

Glassed the trailing edge today. Not perfect, but it will suffice.
Leading edge tomorrow. Then seal the ends, slit the track and paint
it. Seeing the sailmaker on Friday about the sail. Still need to
make the battens and the control thingys and cast the bearings on the
stub mast. Should be sailing before Xmas. ;-)

rob



On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lost a couple of days when bending the glassed-on-the-inside foam
> trailing edge.  It split along a hot melt glue join.  Easy fix, but
> time consuming.
>
> Experimented with various ways of joining the trailing edge, none of
> which worked, so I have built a mould for a V piece which includes the
> track.   In the interests of time saving I bought fiberglass tube for
> this.
>
> The leading edge was going to be hollow, from bent glass, but the
> weight would have been pretty much the same as using shaped
> polystyrene.   Bought some sheets of this to glue and sand.  When I
> went to pick them up, there were some very ornate shapes being cut for
> signs.  Turns out they can cnc cut to almost any shape, for 25 bucks,
> so got them to do the leading edges.
>
> Pics in the folder.
>
> The mdf shapes holding it all together are the formers for the Sol mast.
>
> rob
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Added a couple more, plus some of the stuff in the garage.   Any
>> questions, let me know.
>>
>> rob
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As promised, some photos in the elementarry telescoping mast folder.
>>> Don't show much as so far it is just a carbon/foam/glass box with
>>> flaps on the back.   Should be a little more to see tomorrow when I
>>> join the flaps.  The 7.2m/24' central spar (100mmx100mm/4"x4") weighs
>>> 12 kgs/26 lbs, which is heavy, but stiff.
>>>
>>> Building in the garage is hard work.  Can't make dust or noise, run a
>>> vac pump or open the door for fear of the neighbours whinging.  Have
>>> to be out next Monday so the wife can put her car away.    Tow is also
>>> very time consuming compared to uni.  Allows much better tapering, but
>>> takes a long time without a wetout machine or infusion.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, I had some excellent help from Jeff (Vis builder)
>>> yesterday which sped things up and relieved the boredom talking about
>>> glow in the dark boats and other interesting things.  Also found out
>>> that Katy (daughter) is a natural filleter!  One pass, perfect fillet,
>>> no mess.  Biggest drawback of epoxy is that she cannot help more.
>>> Actually, 2nd biggest.  Biggest is that it doesn't cure if you forget
>>> the hardener.  First time i have done this for many years.
>>> Fortunately a small batch near the end so easily removed and fixed.
>>>
>>> Next step is to join the trailing edge and put the track in, and add a
>>> lightweight (28 kgs/cu m polystyrene) nose piece which will have to be
>>> sanded/shaped very quickly, with the vacuum cleaner on.  ;-)   Also
>>> got to make some guesses about the batten stiffness and how the sail
>>> will be trimmed.
>>>
>>> rob



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