Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Blind Date doing a race for the very first time
From: Rick Willoughby
Date: 8/28/2012, 6:33 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Nol

You may be interested to learn we have running backstays on the 18m proa.  These run from the trailing end of the boom to the top of the forestay on the mast.  They do enable effective tensioning of the forestay to flatten the jib.  They are a nuisance when shunting because the lines are not color coded so in every shunt there is some time wasted working out which jammer needs to be released and which stay needs to be cranked on.

Anything you can do to improve the alignment of drive and drag is beneficial.  In light conditions on the wind I expect you will find sailing the ww hull to lee will give much better average speed because you can easily avoid getting in irons.

Rick
On 28/08/2012, at 6:35 AM, Nol Twigt wrote:

 

Answering Luc's questions:
The other boats in the race were just the average yachts you can find in any (Dutch) harbor. Real racers do not participate in this kind of low level racing. I don't think I saw any yacht longer than 13 meters.

The Balestron rig could be improved: flatter profile, more sail battens. Specially in the jib, that always has a curved forestay on this type of mast. Fixed boom, well balanced twisting fathead mainsail, bigger surface (+ 30%).

I made sketches for a 2 x 54 m2 mainsail rig (schooner rig). This would bring the Texel Rating (TR) down from 115 (present balestron) to 91. The theoretical maximum windspeed for sailing with unreefed sails would go from 20 to 15 knots.
For a 3 x 44 m2 mainsail rig the TR is 96 and the theoretical maximum unreefed windspeed is 17,25 knots.

These numbers are not more than a vague indication because the TR is based on traditional rigs. It calculates the third sail as if it is a (not very efficient) mizzen.

It is a pity that experimenting on the scale of the Blind Date is so expensive.
Small scale models do not reveal the full truth, because the place of the weight of the crew plays such an important role.

On the Blind Date we have to steer with the rudders and the sails. We can not use the weight of the crew.
My main objection against the balestron is that it does not do much for the steering.
So on shallow water, when we need to get the rudders up, we can easily loose control.
The rudders also do work on low speed, for instance half way a shunting maneuver.

I imagine a well balanced proa must be able sail long distances steering itself.
Well trimmed mainsails of a schooner rig could do that job. We also need a well shaped leeward hull.
A Hobie16 comes close to that way of sailing, however it would be even more stabile when the rig was placed on the leeward hull, like we have it on a proa.

This 'hands free sailing' is a very complex game, with waves and wind gusts and the different courses we may want to sail.
One thing I can say is that all forces should be close to the center of the ship.
That is why I want to try masts that tilt toward the windward side, just like the 'natural' angle of a windsurfer mast.

Nol

--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "LucD" <lucjdekeyser@...> wrote:
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> Nol, How did the boats compare in size? What changes would you make to the rig? How would a schooner setup compare? Looking forward to the results of the next race. Luc
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> --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "Nol Twigt" <noltwigt@> wrote:
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> > Being the Blind Date schipper and new chairman of the foundation 'Zeilen met Visie' (Sailing with a Vision) that owns the Blind Date, I will give you a short report of our first race.
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> > It was just a small (9 miles) race on a wednesday evening, organized by a local harbor in Lelystad, Netherlands. We entered this race as a preparation for a multihull race in the weekend of 1-2 september.
> > We feel that racing is a good way to prove our skills in boat handling.
> > This season we sailed every week one or two days. Many local skippers are now familiar with a ship that looks and sails like no other ship. It looks fast, but nobody knows how fast it really is. It looks strange, and nobody knows how strange it really is.
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> > Despite the many trips we made this season, our crew was not very experienced. All four 'official' Blind Date schippers were on board, but Henny and Fredjan have sailed only once or twice this season, due to busy schedules. Jan Schippers, the initiator of the Blind Date project has not sailed because of shoulder problems.
> > Hans, who was new on board (we never even met before, except on LinkedIn) did the navigation. Fredjan did the steering. Hans, Fredjan and I have many years of regatta experience on multihulls, but not with the Blind Date.
> >
> > We spent the afternoon practicing shunts and other maneuvers. The weather was perfect, with a western wind varying from 15-25 knots. The Blind Date was doing fine with one reef in the main sail. In gusts we frequently reached speeds of 12 knots. Newcomer Hans was excited!
> >
> > In the race we had a good down wind start. We were third in a field of 14 yachts. Unfortunately there were no other multihulls. The bad start of most other ships showed the low level of the competition. Soon we passed the two yachts before us and then we saw the whole field behind us become smaller and smaller. Some ships had trouble keeping their spinnaker full and we even saw one ship turning over in a gust.
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> > I think we sailed a pretty good race. The shunting went well and rounding the buoys was no problem at all. Hans turned out to be a great navigator. He spent the first five minutes of the race programming his iPhone. After that we found our way with our eyes closed, inventing yet another meaning behind the name Blind Date.
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> > We finished in one hour and three minutes, if I remember well. Average speed 9 knots. Our first opponent finished a half hour later, doing 6 knots average.
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> > I knew all along the race that it would be very hard to improve this result. This is the wind speed where the Blind Date performs best. The speed of keel yachts is limited by their hull speed. In light winds they are much harder to beat. The course had no legs straight into the wind, so the keel yachts did not have much advantage of their ability to point a little higher than us. (Upwind we sail a 50° angle with the true wind).
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> > I know that we can take both the Blind Date to a higher level of regatta sailing. However for that we will need to invest in a better rig and less nose diving. Also we should do more training, which is not really an objective. Seeing what we have accomplished gave me a very good feeling.
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> > When we got back to the harbor, I was very curious how the other sailers would respond. Much to my surprise, the racing committee had not made any objections when we enrolled. Of course they could not find a proper handicap for us. They gave us a handicap that put us on the last position. Modest as we are, we were not bothered by that at all. We had decided by then that this would be a one time experience anyway (these races are held every wednesday evening), because of the lack of competition.
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> > In the end of the award ceremony Jan took the microphone and thanked the organization for letting us in, and offered anyone who was curious about the Blind Date to sail with us. Some people said that they would certainly make use of that invitation.
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> > I considered adding a comment about the strange contradiction between sailing as fast as you can and hanging all that weight under your ship. And then putting so much sail on the mast that you still capsize. That is a weird way of doing, when you think of it.
> > However I did not find it a proper place and time to make enemies. (They were with many and we were on their hunting grounds).
> > We left, tired and satisfied, before I could say anything wrong.
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> > The next race will be with multihulls.
> >
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Rick Willoughby




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