Subject: [harryproa] Re: harryproa for shallow waters
From: Mike Crawford
Date: 9/17/2012, 9:27 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 


  I'm slowly being converted to the schooner rig. 

  That was my plan a while back, then I thought I'd want a single taller mast in order to grab air up aloft in really light winds.  Then I got worried about having a huge pole sticking up in a severe storm, and I'm not yet comfortable with the idea of a telescoping mast. 

  A schooner rig with two sealed masts should have a lower COE in a storm, would be even more helpful at preventing going turtle in a knockdown, and should offer a serious amount of sail area for a given mast height (as in fitting into a 48' container).

  The steering without rudders would be even more of a plus -- belt and suspenders.  Kick-up foils are a fixed requirement for me, but a boat that works without them in the water at all (even if just barely) is even better.  Plus, the schooner rig with foils up might even let you sail off a beach given the right conditions.

  But I'd shy away from hulls designed to generate lift.  In addition to avoiding the additional drag of a lifting hull, I'd want to be able to sail with the windward hull to leeward in really light winds.  In that case I definitely wouldn't want my hulls to be pulling me downwind. 

  A wharram type v-hull would certainly cut down on leeway, but a chine plus a slight angle of heel would probably be the next best thing, and it might have less wetted surface area and offer better performance at speed.  Plus, as Rob points out, you could stand flat on the hull without building in an additional floor (less weight plus less expense).

        - Mike



Rick Willoughby wrote:
 

Luc

I expect a hard chine gives more lateral resistance than a circular section, asymmetric hull of comparable draft.  However neither generates lift efficiently but you should be able to make way to windward.

The asymmetric hull will have extra drag off the wind and will never generate lift as efficiently as rudders or dagger board. 

Rick
On 15/09/2012, at 6:22 PM, lucjdekeyser wrote:

 

Thank you, Rick and Robert. May I conclude that the simplest seems to just motor around with a jetted prop pod at a depth not exceeding draft and only sail in deeper waters with kick down rudder/boards. If one would want to also sail in shallow waters go for an asymmetric lee hull and steer with schooner sails.
Right?
Luc


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