Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: harryproa for shallow waters
From: Rick Willoughby
Date: 10/7/2012, 5:04 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Luc

The hard data available suggests the propulsion system is not very efficient.  

They took 585 days to circle the globe.  The best sailing boat has done it in 45 days.

The best efficiency I have seen for a surface piecing prop is 70%.  The best for a submerged prop is 87%.

If you can find any actual prop data on planet solar I would be interested.

Rick
On 07/10/2012, at 11:12 PM, LucD wrote:

 

I just happened to watch Planetsolar - what did they do right with surface piercing props if I assume efficiency is prime for that boat? Luc


--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rick Willoughby <rickwill@...> wrote:
>
> Luc
> Low speed surface piecing props are hopelessly inefficient - maybe
> 20% if it is constrained by depth. It is better to use a smaller
> prop and enclose it in a nozzle to lift efficiency - basically a jet.
>
> In fact it is difficult to better a paddlewheel for shallow water
> operation but they would be an ugly addition to a proa.
>
> Rick
> On 09/09/2012, at 9:00 PM, LucD wrote:
>
> > While Nol was discussing how Zeilen met Visie progressed optimizing
> > Blind Date, he mentioned readying her for sailing the shallow
> > waters the Dutch coasts are famous for. I guess originally kick-up
> > rudders were meant to solve that.
> >
> > If one were to build a harryproa dedicated for waters like the
> > Wadden Sea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadden_Sea with beaching
> > capability would it make sense to consider:
> > 1. an asymmetric lee hull?
> > 2. and ww hull (also flat to lee)?
> > 3. Low aspect schooner rig (for occasional rudderless steering) ?
> > 4. As apparently these boats motor more often: Rick, you were
> > involved in a discussion on slow turning surface piercing
> > propellers in 2008. Would this application make sense to offset the
> > loss of efficiency, in your opinion?
> > 5. A double hull would not require lots of flat bottoms as a monohull
> > 6. While transitioning from beached to floating the boat can bang
> > the sea bottom without being best positioned with regard to tide
> > and wind directions - Would there be a way to hold down the boat
> > some longer on the bottom and let loose to have it float higher and
> > have more room for maneuvering?
> >
> > Luc
> >
> >
>
> Rick Willoughby
> rickwill@...
>


Rick Willoughby




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