Rob R, what would be enough proof of seaworthiness for you? Luc
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "rob_rassy" wrote:
>
> Luc - I hope Harrys don't get a bad rap like the "Flying Flea"
>
> Fedor - I'm looking forward to what comes out of this thread
>
> iPhones aside to me the HP concept is an ideal budget cruising platform
> for a couple or solo sailor wanting fast, safe passages (who wouldn't)
> and don't mind being different.Like me I think a reluctance issue may be
> lurking in some minds right or wrong as to the seaworthiness of a Harry
> as there is not much evidence or information on their blue water
> capabilities.
> It's all well and good to have the engineering done but proof of concept
> is need and lots of it.
>
> Racing is the other obvious area where the HP concept may have an
> advantage, and that's were Rob's attention seems to be with his own HP
> It would defiantly be a good way to get the concept more widely accepted
>
> Rob Rassy
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "fvonballuseck" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Luc
> >
> > The survey is doing well - 15 responses so far and interesting.
> > I think it may prove some good discussion for this forum. I'll give it
> a few more days before I pull out some ideas to share.
> >
> > One there seem to be 2-3 distinct 'user profiles' showing up - which
> may help tailor the boat and/or design efforts. As the needs are
> probably clear once they have been defined. Maybe we can further grow
> the 'Gestalt' - as you say.
> > I hope that some overlapping needs start to appear and maybe people in
> this forum can pool together to make it happen - quite a few are 'very
> close'. (some years ago a group of people were not satisfied with the
> C31 and bundled investments in the north of the Netherlands and had a
> small series of Farrier F9's built. That may be your 'bootstrap
> question'
> >
> > I am not sure if we can create an iPhone of sailing - but based upon
> the questions I do think I can think of aspects I would definitely
> improve in the 'marketing mix'. For example the rudder/leeway question
> still looms large in many people's answers. (Despite the limited
> engineering challenge.) I think we could debunk a lot of myths and
> circulating selective memories with a bit of focussed effort.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Fedor
> >
> > for those who like to contribute to generating further insights:
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2XYGH5F
> >
> >
> > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "LucD" wrote:
> > >
> > > Fedor, The survey will work all right. The results may not answer
> your question. As you said well the harryproa is a concept. It is not a
> product. As a matter of fact it is a concept that can make a difference
> in a range of products from the small to the large, but it has not found
> a killer app in one segment yet. Shunting rules out beachcat fun; the
> planform complicates condomarans, just to cover the ends of that range.
> > >
> > > Technically, HP's are as ready as any planform; even the
> rudder/boards issue is not more controversial than with cats and tris
> and they have other issues. Then there is the bootstrap issue:
> statistically speaking there are too few of HP's around to prove its
> engineering advantages to non-engineers. The only proa (recognized as
> such) of racing fame was Cheers, not a HP.
> > >
> > > So, in essence, HP's are stuck in a marketing undertow. A HP product
> needs a distinguishing advantage that clears an attention space in the
> gestalt fauna and flora of what is a boat to people with the target
> expendable budget. The exceptions of RB and BD prove the rule. I do not
> know what the selling factor was for RB, but for BD it was day sailing
> fast for the blind of a nation hypnotized by the sea, the Dutch. A niche
> market if one at all. The Seabattical for chartering looked very
> promising. It would be interesting to find out what made it a no-go. My
> suspicion is that it was too difficult a sell to a public used to scuba
> diving in the bay off Leopard cats and the like.
> > >
> > > There are parallels in the small airplane market where the elegant
> pou-du-ciel controls even in a modern version could not make a dent
> against the standard controls of the cessna's and pipers and the like.
> > >
> > > So, how to come up with the iPhone of the sailboats ;-)
> > >
> > > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "fvonballuseck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > As I see the concept of Harryproa mature and as I get nore and
> more interested I am also left with a lot of questions to see how and
> when these great boats may take off.
> > > > Out of curiosity I have created a short 10 question survey - just
> to get a better understanding where Harryproas are and what the
> likelyhood is that people will start building (and why). And what are
> the biggest questions that are still out there
> > > > I'll post the outcome here in the file section once it is done.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2XYGH5F
> > > >
> > > > Hope this works,
> > > > Fedor
> > > >
> > >
> >
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