Subject: [harryproa] Survey/build/feature discussion - Rudders/foils
From: Mike Crawford
Date: 1/20/2013, 2:44 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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FOILS

  I share the viewpoint that there may not be a problem with the newest version of the beam-mounted kick-up foils, *if* the boat design works with them. 

  BD has special draft requirements, as does Gardiner's plan to sail in the Chesepeake, and both could be nonoptimal with low-draft beam-mounted rudders.  Without enough foil in the water, it's easy to go from laminar to non-laminar flow, and then the foils become a lot less effective.  But such is the challenge with a 48' boat designed to sail in 3' water, and yet somehow be expected to hit 20 knots (by observers, not by the owner).

  But what if we didn't have to go with the original Vis design in the original sailing waters?

  With another 1' to 2' in rudder draft (4' to 5' total), a schooner rig that allows different sail balance, and Rick's hard-chined flat-bottomed leeward hull form, leeway, tracking, and steering should become the same non-issues that Rob had with Elementarry.  Particularly if I go with wingsails that create more drive and less force to leeward.  This might even work at 3' draft with the rudders partially raised, but that remains to be seen.

  [many, many thanks,at this point, to go Rob, Mark, Bain, Nol, Arttu, and Johnny for all the real-world experience to date]

  There's no denying that foils in drums, exiting the hull bottom, would be more efficient.  But I just can't imagine spending the money it will take to build a 48' boat and then going with foils that don't kick up. 

  In fact, I don't even want to spend the money on a used Corsair for that reason.  I know of a boatyard that has repaired the same boat F32 three times due to encounters with rocks.  You could say that's due to bad choices, but sometimes groundings happen due to events outside of the boat owner's control.

  On a more personal note, I've had a friend run my own catamaran's central daggerboard into rocks at 2 knots, and that just required a few hundred dollars of repairs.  If it had been at ten knots, I'd have needed a new centerboard, centerboard bracket, and cockpit deck.  And if it had been in a trimaran instead of a cat, we might have filled the main cabin with water.  And if it had been at sea...

  Most folks will put up with well-established risks, such as daggerboards in trunks, multihulls that can't be righted if they capsize, or complex masts with 50+ points of failure in terms of standing rigging and connections.  But if we're going to go non-standard with a proa in the first place, why not go all-in and eliminate all of the risks and shortcomings we can?

  If I were to get a trimaran, it would be a Dragonfly.  Period.  Because their centerboards and rudders will both kick up if run aground, turning a high-speed grounding from a potential sinking experience into merely an inconvenience.  There's just no way to put a price on that, particularly if you're out of sight of land. 

  But since the Dragonflys' diamond-stayed rotating masts have many dozens of points of failure, and they don't even stand a chance of righting after a capssize, a schooner Harryproa with sealed unstayed masts currently occupies the top slot in my short list.

  In any case, when the time comes, I'm going to risk the beam mounted rudders; risk in the sense that I could end up replacing them with a different system. 

  Just as important, rudders on the beam would permit simple tiller extensions all the way to the cockpit, which is something I'd definitely like to try.  It's a simple system that wouldn't care one way or the other if the boat were folded or unfolded, won't stretch out of shape, and will be more fun than using a wheel.  At least for me -- I much prefer tillers.

        - Mike


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