Hi Luc
A circumnavigation would be a good start!
Actually I don't need proof for myself as I have enough belief and would
have a 15m Vis today if I had the means, and the time to go cruising
I am trying to get into the head of the non-believer, what could I point
to that would convince someone that HP's are as good as I claim
 The "Aroha"  Tasman sea crossing to New Zealand is the sort of
inspiration that's needed
The "Rare Bird" sailing clip and others are also good but the sailing
conditions in general benign. They show easy speed and a nice motion but
I would like to see footage (or even a first hand description) of a HP
in much larger seas

Rob Rassy
 
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "LucD" wrote:
>
> Rob R, what would be enough proof of seaworthiness for you? Luc
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "rob_rassy" wrote:
> >
> > Luc - I hope Harrys don't get a bad rap like the "Flying Flea"
> >
> > Fedor - I'm looking forward to what comes out of this thread
> >
> > iPhones aside to me the HP concept is an ideal budget cruising
platform
> > for a couple or solo sailor wanting fast, safe passages (who
wouldn't)
> > and don't mind being different.Like me I think a reluctance issue
may be
> > lurking in some minds right or wrong as to the seaworthiness of a
Harry
> > as there is not much evidence or information on their blue water
> > capabilities.
> > It's all well and good to have the engineering done but proof of
concept
> > is need and lots of it.
> >
> > Racing is the other obvious area where the HP concept may have an
> > advantage, and that's were Rob's attention seems to be with his own
HP
> > It would defiantly be a good way to get the concept more widely
accepted
> >
> > Rob Rassy
> >
> > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "fvonballuseck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Luc
> > >
> > > The survey is doing well - 15 responses so far and interesting.
> > > I think it may prove some good discussion for this forum. I'll
give it
> > a few more days before I pull out some ideas to share.
> > >
> > > One there seem to be 2-3 distinct 'user profiles' showing up -
which
> > may help tailor the boat and/or design efforts. As the needs are
> > probably clear once they have been defined. Maybe we can further
grow
> > the 'Gestalt' - as you say.
> > > I hope that some overlapping needs start to appear and maybe
people in
> > this forum can pool together to make it happen - quite a few are
'very
> > close'. (some years ago a group of people were not satisfied with
the
> > C31 and bundled investments in the north of the Netherlands and had
a
> > small series of Farrier F9's built. That may be your 'bootstrap
> > question'
> > >
> > > I am not sure if we can create an iPhone of sailing - but based
upon
> > the questions I do think I can think of aspects I would definitely
> > improve in the 'marketing mix'. For example the rudder/leeway
question
> > still looms large in many people's answers. (Despite the limited
> > engineering challenge.) I think we could debunk a lot of myths and
> > circulating selective memories with a bit of focussed effort.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > Fedor
> > >
> > > for those who like to contribute to generating further insights:
> > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2XYGH5F
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "LucD" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fedor, The survey will work all right. The results may not
answer
> > your question. As you said well the harryproa is a concept. It is
not a
> > product. As a matter of fact it is a concept that can make a
difference
> > in a range of products from the small to the large, but it has not
found
> > a killer app in one segment yet. Shunting rules out beachcat fun;
the
> > planform complicates condomarans, just to cover the ends of that
range.
> > > >
> > > > Technically, HP's are as ready as any planform; even the
> > rudder/boards issue is not more controversial than with cats and
tris
> > and they have other issues. Then there is the bootstrap issue:
> > statistically speaking there are too few of HP's around to prove its
> > engineering advantages to non-engineers. The only proa (recognized
as
> > such) of racing fame was Cheers, not a HP.
> > > >
> > > > So, in essence, HP's are stuck in a marketing undertow. A HP
product
> > needs a distinguishing advantage that clears an attention space in
the
> > gestalt fauna and flora of what is a boat to people with the target
> > expendable budget. The exceptions of RB and BD prove the rule. I do
not
> > know what the selling factor was for RB, but for BD it was day
sailing
> > fast for the blind of a nation hypnotized by the sea, the Dutch. A
niche
> > market if one at all. The Seabattical for chartering looked very
> > promising. It would be interesting to find out what made it a no-go.
My
> > suspicion is that it was too difficult a sell to a public used to
scuba
> > diving in the bay off Leopard cats and the like.
> > > >
> > > > There are parallels in the small airplane market where the
elegant
> > pou-du-ciel controls even in a modern version could not make a dent
> > against the standard controls of the cessna's and pipers and the
like.
> > > >
> > > > So, how to come up with the iPhone of the sailboats ;-)
> > > >
> > > > --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "fvonballuseck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > As I see the concept of Harryproa mature and as I get nore and
> > more interested I am also left with a lot of questions to see how
and
> > when these great boats may take off.
> > > > > Out of curiosity I have created a short 10 question survey -
just
> > to get a better understanding where Harryproas are and what the
> > likelyhood is that people will start building (and why). And what
are
> > the biggest questions that are still out there
> > > > > I'll post the outcome here in the file section once it is
done.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2XYGH5F
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this works,
> > > > > Fedor
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>