thanks Mike
it is a slipery slope! But it does not seem to be that hard...
and flip-up extension of the 'counters' that are there and some flip down 'stools' on the sides of the 'bunks' will probably get you quite close.
With a family of 5 .... I am not going to try... But again not looking for extended cruising - more week-ends/some weeks.
Fedor
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Mike Crawford wrote:
>
> Fedor,
>
> The cockpit table would probably be easier, and also result in a
> lighter boat.
>
> It's mostly the result of the design criteria: the largest
> trailerable/transportable we can get away with, at the same time being
> the smallest long-term cruiser we're willing to tolerate.
>
> Putting the table inside is the result of sliding down a steep and
> slippery slope.
>
> To be honest, Rob's weekender, or even the woodenboat design, do
> everything we would need. Not everything we'd want, but everything we'd
> need.
>
> However, we can already camp-cruise, and basically just don't do it.
> If we make the leap to a larger boat, it will be big enough to spend a
> few months in the Caribbean. Not with a washer/dryer/living room, but
> with at least some amenities and space that make life more pleasant.
>
> If we widen the hull a bit, we could put a dinging table inside and
> get the following advantages:
>
> - An interior dining table one side of the windward hull.
>
> - A folding desk/chart table to the other side in an "owner's cabin"
> sort of design.
>
> - Cockpit stays totally free and open, with any sort of hard top or
> bimini being optional.
>
> - We could also put a table in the cockpit for nice weather, as well
> as rig up a cover system and screens/clears for a big upstairs while at
> anchor.
>
> - People can dine at the table, or just hang out, while real sailing
> is going on.
>
> - Serious weather and/or sailing requirements (sheet handling, sight
> lines) won't affect the dining/relaxing situation
>
> - There's a whole other space for people to be in, which is important
> if you're in close quarters for a long time.
>
> - That windward hull will feel bigger.
>
> - Less windage.
>
>
> I really like to be out in the sun and the wind, with a tiller in
> hand, and don't want windows, walls, a saloon, or anything else in the
> way of that fun, particularly while daysailing. If I can keep that open
> feel, while allowing for additional spaces inside, and retain the option
> for an upstairs table/room, then that's my ideal boat.
>
> The interior table is also a fixed requirement for my wife, but I
> can't really use that as an excuse because I'd probably want it anyway.
>
> As long as we're going to step up from spartan accommodations, we're
> going to take two steps up and get an interior.
>
> But the boat would definitely be smaller, lighter, and less expensive
> if the table weren't down below.
>
>
> - Mike
>
>
> fvonballuseck wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > out of curiosity - why the table downstairs? To me it seems some of
> > the elegance to not reproduce the same feature 2times - wouldn't it be
> > easier to make the cockpit semi- protected? Open when you want it -
> > closed when you need it? Think I would be willing to sacrifice some
> > 'easy passage inside by moving cockpit slightly onto the hull)
> > (inside is for sleeping, cooking, head)
> >
> > Some other thoughts:
> > Folding - think Farrier has proven bullet-proof - but Dragonly has
> > demonstrated the wish for more 'marina'use. Personally I think I could
> > live with teh compromise 3.5-4M wide when folded -
> > demountable/additional work acceptable for incidental trailering.
> > Say you would have a LW hull of 36ft/11m - 2 ends folding to 30ft/9m.
> > Saling width of around 5-6m, marina width 3.5-4M (probably good enough
> > for 'dry sailing as well) -
> >
> > Size/Cost - Think it is currently wise to go in the direction of 'less
> > is more' given economy etc. Another thought I would be willing to
> > investigate is a 'pop-up' part - for exaple around the galley. Again -
> > 90% of tthe time you will not be cooking or 1.9M/6'4" headroom)
> > Although it is compfortable. I I want to sail 'soon' I probaby need to
> > keep the building costs down.. i.e. limited complex shapes
> >
> > Fedor
> >
>