Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Model Proa with Canted Bi-directional Sail - Test 2
From: Rick Willoughby
Date: 3/30/2013, 11:28 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Ben

Your understanding is correct.  We determined we need to cant the sail at 45 degrees to get the lift vector through the CoG to neutralise healing.  The cant angle was actually about 50 degrees so there was still some positive healing force but it was not much.

Least drag is to have least wetted surface.  The approach that Macquarie Sailing and Sail Rocket use is the fastest - small planing pods.  However these are not practical in large waves hence the slender hulls.  If we can satisfy ourselves that the sail can give lift then I will be leaning towards both hulls being long to reduce pitching.  The ww hull with accommodation and flat bottom.  The lw with enough buoyancy to support the total displacement; probably wave piercing with a V-bottom so wetted surface reduces at it lifts.  It may be possible to reduce the reserve buoyancy in the ends of ww hull as well to reduce pitching. 

There would be no need to move the windward boom beyond the line of the ww hull.  The beach version should be capable of twice windspeed so it will be fastest reaching down wind and the fastest point will likely be with apparent wind forward of the beam - I have not confirmed this yet.  Also the camber of the sail can be adjusted to make a very full section that works at high angle of attack.  The model was sailing quite well downwind with only plus/minus 30 degrees and a flat sail - it did have weather helm in this test due to limited sail movement that it did not have in the first test.  We will fit a winch for the sail angle travel for the next test.

Accommodation would be in and off the ww hull - the canted sail will provide better sun shade than a vertical sail! 

Rick 
On 31/03/2013, at 10:53 AM, bjarthur123 wrote:

 

very interesting concept boat rick! i'm glad you retired so you could work on such things without the distraction of a job :)

do i understand correctly that the cant of the sail is meant to keep the boat from heeling? if so, would there be less water drag if the two hulls were of equal length??

upwind i can see how the CoE is roughly between the hulls transversely and forward longitudinally, and hence results in better balance. but on a broad reach, wouldn't the sail be close to perpendicular to the hulls, and hence centered on the ww hull?

were you to scale it up to a cruiser, where would you put the accommodations? the lw hull w/o the mast?

ben

--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, Rick Willoughby <rickwill@...> wrote:
>
> Dean made the changes aimed at improvements based on first test and
> now reasonably happy with performance:
> http://youtu.be/5Cz3YKZj_XY
>
> The rigging still has some problems but much better than first test.
> Notice that the mast starts canted to windward but ends up curved
> leeward due to stretch of the two masthead stays. The sail started
> out close to giving balance but small lw hull got pressed in some
> gusts as the sail cant reduced due to the mast top going to ww.
>
> The noticeable change is the color to pink and green waterline that
> helps monitoring pitch. Other changes are more tension in the sail
> luffs and foot meaning it has less camber. Reduced rotation of the
> sail - now too little to get best speed on broad reach. Large,
> heavier hull shifted to ww side to move CoG to windward. The CoG is
> now 200mm from the ww hull so sail drive vector is now just to the
> lee of the CoG when the sail is canted at design angle of 45 degrees.
> (Will be less cant on the scaled up version because the CoG will be
> even closer proportionally to the ww hull)
>
> As the mast head moved leeward during the course of testing the boat
> gained more weather helm and lost pointing ability. It could be
> shunted through more than 270 degrees when we started out.
>
> The wind strength was mostly less today but there were gusts that
> could easily capsize it if the sail was not canted. It was capsized
> once when the sail travel got caught and pulled the bottom of the
> sail to the water rather than swinging it when shunting.
>
> It is now really well behaved. Very easy to sail. No difficulty
> getting away from a lee shore. In fact with the reduced sail travel
> it could not be balanced properly off the wind so was slower than it
> should have been when sailing fee.
>
> My idea of sailing without sail rotation control does not work
> because the most stable position for the sail is dead downwind, so
> boat gets drag sideways
>
> We did not try any automatic depowering of the rig because capsize
> was not a threat on the day.
>
> Rick Willoughby
> rickwill@...
>


Rick Willoughby




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