Subject: RE: [harryproa] Re:: nav lights
From: "'David Douglas' cruisingfoiler@yahoo.com.au [harryproa]"
Date: 11/9/2014, 12:43 AM
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The flimsiest of carbon torque tubes up the guts of the mast bearings or support as required. Given that this tube can hang from the top bearing, the tube should always be under tension rather than compression.  Either: (1) fix this torque tube at the mast base and switch 2 sets of lights, or (2) lever at base of torque tube that can be rotated thru 180 degrees.  Automate with mainsheet: shock cord retract slack mainsheet a few inches; light line from taught mainsheet rotates lever thru 180 degrees when shunting.  No exposed lines.

A reefable mast complicates this solution.

From: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014 5:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re:: nav lights

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM, fvonballuseck@gmail.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

 

 I have seen people do a construction like you say on a small tri (be it with the line to an ama - you would then do it to the WW hull and potentially stack 2 3 colour lights. Given that there is a contradiction between tight, bending and proper alignment thin chance of success is low.

With an elastic line, it may not be so bad.  Plus, a small amount of mis aligned rotation is not critical, except to the rule makers.   I would try and do it with one light, and 2 strings, rather than 2 lights.  

Fixing the mast would be a huge advantage - you could then stack 2 3-color lights and flip a switch. 2 ways I can imagine this:

1) the sail is tied to the mast with thin lines and beads (for friction reduction during hoisting) like it has been done for years on old sailing barges etc (which also had a 'square top' proxy for years). Not sure how bad the extra turbulence is - I remember people experimenting with small vortex generators on the masts anyway...

I have been giving this a lot of thought since we discussed it after looking at the Dutch barge while sailing Blind Date. No bearings, track or sail slides would be much easier and cheaper.  Main problem is that the mast could not be tapered.  Possible solution is a gunter rig, which also has some advantages in that the top mast can be lowered, which may or may not mean less drag when reefed.  The gunter could also be longer than the 6m fixed topmast as it would be lowered when not in use.  More height, more sail area and /or a shorter, lighter, lower loaded boom.  Maybe difficult to get a big roach, though.  There are issues with the hoops passing the boom attachment, but these are surmountable.  Also have to figure a way to easily hoist/lower the sail on the top mast.  Food for thought!   Any suggestions appreciated.

2) could the sail be attached to a rail on the LW side of the mast  - I am no aerodynamics expert but does not seem to be a very bad position - it would mean:

A much better location than the back of the mast. 

- adjusting outhaul as the position of the boom changes to maintain right profile

Which would be tedious, made worse if the outhaul was not in the cockpit.

- the battens would probably not run all the way to the mast but stop 1/2 - 1 circumference (of the mast)  short of the mast so that they would not snap if you got caught aback... question is if there is enough 'depth in the sail' that would allow you to make the 'swing' - you would obviously not be able to sail atlantic style - which still begs the question how you get out of the situation.

Would not be too hard to manoeuver back on course, but 1) when the sheet is eased, the sail is no longer on the side of the mast, so it is not very efficient, although still better than a fixed mast, 2) big loads on the slides if caught aback and 3) hard to raise/reef/lower it unless the boat is beam to the wind.  

3) last I can imagine doing a 'double set-up' on the hulls that meets official requirements - and mount something on the mast for the real visibilty (ie 2 or 3 colour rings, or just plain white) etc and hope people see you... but they can not guess direction etc from far.

tricky..

As are many 'simplifications'

 

 

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