Subject: Re: : Re: [harryproa] Re:: Cruiser 60 questions
From: "Gardner Pomper gardner@networknow.org [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 6/3/2015, 10:06 AM
To: "harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
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My current thinking on the layout would be double bunks, instead of queen, so they are 4'6, with a 3' standing area next to them for the sleeping quarters.
 
If the hull flares out a bit above the waterline, I am wondering if a composting head can be placed "cross-wise" so that you face the hull when seated, allowing a doorway on either end of the head compartment into the bunk areas.
 
This would leave enough space for a 2' walkway and 2' galley cabinets "up top". The ww hull, at 7'6" wide, would not have any cockpit at all, having sacrificed the central space to the head and galley. This means that the cockpit could basically be a panel that connects the ww and lw hulls.
 
The high-cube is an option, but one I would prefer to leave as a "oops, we *almost* fit", than the design goal, since if we miss on the 8'6 option, then I am out of luck.
 
The Maine Cat was pretty wide below decks, with a big enough galley, but it accomplished that with a sloped hull, so the cabinets were not really all that useful (being only 6" deep at the bottom and 18" (?) at the top. I would prefer cabinets to be rectangular prisms, which makes them easier to build and better for storage.
 
Hopefully I will get a chance to sketch a layout, but Rob is so much better at making things elegant, that I am hoping to get him thinking up possibilities <grin>.
 
- Gardner
 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Mike Crawford mcrawf@nuomo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 


  Separate entrances with a central head, in 40', would be a serious challenge unless you go with a very minimal Wharram-style hatch that opens up onto a "flexi space" bunk.  Other than that, it seems like you're pretty close to being feasible.

  Maybe you can only fit ten clowns into that Volkswagon.

  How about an 8'-6" beam?  You could gain that extra foot if you turn the ww hull on its side and slide it into a standard hi-cube container (interior height 8'-10 1/4") on some rollers.

  That gives you a 5' wide queen bunk, along with a 5' long cockpit seat above, with 3'-6" left over for the hull.

  Isn't 42" pretty close the the interior hull width on your old Mainecat?  Was that galley big enough?

  I mention that boat not only because you're more familiar with it than I am, but also because it's pretty close to my ideal.  I just want a much longer lw hull, unstayed mast in the lw hull, and the ability the collapse the boat on the water in order to fit on a trailer.

        - Mike



Gardner Pomper gardner@networknow.org [harryproa] wrote on 6/3/2015 8:49 AM:
 
I agree with all that (pros and cons).
 
Rob, do you think it might be possible to have a 40' version with 2 doubles and a central head? I have not been able to draw it up myself yet, but something along the lines of our previous discussions, with a 7'6" wide ww hull, containing the berths, head and galley, and a detachable cockpit (to enable containerization)?
 
Making the ww hull wide enough for a central head, with entrances from each stateroom seems to be the biggest problem. Is this reasonable, or am I just trying to fit a dozen clowns in a volkswagen?
 
- Gardner
 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:34 AM, robriley@rocketmail.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 

What I really like about Cruiser 60
* the comfort and liveability of the volume
* the potential as a liveaboard
* the capacity to cruise anywhere I would want to go safely
* shallow draft
* aspects of construction that permanently keep costs down
* the schooner rig is very appealing
* the build method seems quicker and simpler than any other proposal I can think of

What I do not like
* the marina fees of a multihull that is 60ft, and it is ongoing
* the cost, cheap as it is, its a lot of dough and for me thats prohibitive
* if it was available a 'speed' kit would be even more prohibitive
* when a boat is big, all of the maintenance is going to be more costly
* the seemingly under-developed accommodation plan, though not hard to change




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