Subject: Re: : Re: : Re: [harryproa] Re:: Poor man's cruiser (i.e. Cruiser 40)?
From: "Gardner Pomper gardner@networknow.org [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 8/9/2015, 7:25 PM
To: "harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

All valid points. Let me address them individually:

  • "more sense in the tropics" - I would agree. I prefer to sail where I can swim, although I do fantasize about the Northwest Passage periodically.
  • "seepage in rough seas" - a definite concern. Windage seems to be an overriding concern, so this is my compromise. If seepage becomes more of a problem than windage, I would fiberglass in walls and just have the roof up.
  • "soft screens would be on almost permanently" - also true. In our Maine Cat 30, we left the screens on along the length of the hull most all the time. My feeling is that windage is only a concern in certain cases, so having the screens means you can roll them up when you are going tight upwind or approaching a dock. Otherwise do whatever makes you comfortable.
  • "have the roof tilt the other way" - the roof tilting is solely to reduce windage. I don't see a reason to be in the bunk and socialize at the same time. I am either there to sleep or to get away from any other people on the boat :)
  • "With bar stools" - I considered that, but not sure that bar stools would always be stable enough and where would I put them when they aren't a good choice?
  • "How do the beams run through the ww hull?" - very good question. I am hoping that they don't need to. If they do, I can run them under the bunks and enlarge the cockpit by a foot on either end.
  • "does not look like a poor man's cruiser" - I am shooting for something that can be built for under $100K US (bare hull and rig). I have been waiting for a couple years for someone to have a flat panel harry built professionally to get an idea if it is reasonable. If not, then this is absolutely the biggest boat I could see myself building (not likely)
Thanks for the feedback.

- Gardner

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:50 PM, lucjdekeyser@telenet.be [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 

This one looks quite similar to one of the 100's I have drawn myself ;-)
In my sense of proportions your HP40 is more like the sport version of the HP50 or let us settle for the HP45. It's lineage from the HP60 is clear. This boat makes more sense in the tropics than in the Atlantic where my reflexes come from. The tilting roof of the berths is attractive but I would be nervous about seepage in rough seas. The hard top is also attractive but I would bet that in the waters here the soft screens would be on almost permanently. The bunks are only separated by a wall from the saloon/galley. Isn't it a shame not to make use of them during the day? I would think closing off the bunks from the central saloon/galley for privacy at night would be easier than perfecting a tilting roof opening up towards the ends. Or have the roof tilt the other way integrating the opening with the soft screens setup of the galley to form a soft roof.
With bar stools the tables could fold at the same level and extend the galley tops.
How do the beams run through the ww hull?
This sure does not look like a poor man's cruiser looks but more like the perfect boat for a party (in the summer in my region)..   


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