Subject: Re: : Re: [harryproa] Re: extruded polystyrene core questions
From: "Rob Denney harryproa@gmail.com [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 5/14/2018, 7:42 AM
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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:20 PM, '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups..com.au> wrote:
 


>I meant that 12mm sheets are still more costly than 6mm sheets but they are less than double the price.

How far into the thick sheets does this go? Like are 3" H80 even cheaper per inch? Or is there a sweet spot? Probably better to ask Rob for the pricing situation. Rob, how does this work?

​As far as I know, D/cell is saw cut as the fumes are toxic.  It is made in large blocks, which the manufacturer cuts into sheets.  ​


Looking at something like the following. Skip down till you get to the table hotwire machine.

https://www.flitetest.com/articles/hot-wire-foam-sheet-cutting

​that is impressive.  My local foam supplier uses an abrasive string for accurate cuts​, I weill show him the vid.



So this should be able to make thinner H80 sheets. Assuming you are gonna be scoring/routering and holing both sides of the sheets for infusion anyway, I cant see hot wireing bothering the surface to much. But I have no idea.. Anyone got an idea?

>So if you could cut your own then you would save money. Less the wastage from the cutting.

The hot wiring should not lose much material?

​Very little, but the surface will probably be sealed, so it would be like epoxy onto a pvc bottle.  No good.  The foam works because of the huge surface area from the broken bubbles.  The scoring and perforations are too few/small to make much difference.  ​


Regarding toxins https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene

That's not funny stuff. 0.1 ppm exposure limit and you can't smell it till 0.4. No breathing filter available (bypasses activated carbon). One is gonna want a big fan blowing past you and over the work and away into open spaces. Perhaps even an open jar of ammonia (neutralizer) in front of the fan.

​Do not put the fan behind you, it will form an eddy and suck the gas towards you.  Better still, figure out if your life is worth the cost saving from cutting your own foam.​


One of this conversations premises is that a different, cheaper core could be thicker. How does core thickness effect the flat infusion? I assume you have to taper the edges down to level with the bottom glass fiber.

​yes, but thicker is no harder to infuse than thin.​


Is that harder as the core gets thicker?

​No​


Does that mean the whole premise of a thicker foam core makes the infusion harder generally?

​No, unless it has to bend which doesn't happen with Intelligent Infusion.​


I see some vendors are making multi density foam cores, where the outer layers have more compressive strength, and the fill a center core with a lighter core. Which is neat, cause its the same engineering math all over again for the light core supporting the heavier core. Seems we could diy that. Thin sliced H80 over whatever grade XPS is appropriate.

But is this practical in an intelligent infusion layup?

​Not really as the resin needs to travel between the foams to glue them together, requiring a medium for the resin to travel along, so the weight gain may not be there. You could preglue the foams, and it would be worth experimenting, but i suspect it would be more trouble than it was worth.  Make sure there is no squeeze out or lumps of cured glue on the edges of the foam.   



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