I speak for myself to say that i did what i could with ljmited funds and managed to get sidecar sailing. I now have a bit more funds but not the fitness to contemplate a new build.

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On Sun, 27/5/18, Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re:: Bidirectional cockpit layout
To: "Chris Hamilton ultrabat@gmail.com [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Received: Sunday, 27 May, 2018, 6:12 PM


 










I know what you mean, but what's your
excuse?








On ‎Sunday‎, ‎27‎ ‎May‎
‎2018‎ ‎05‎:‎40‎:‎47‎ ‎PM‎ ‎AWST,
Chris Hamilton ultrabat@gmail.com [harryproa]
<harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:






 









will a couple of people PLEASE
build a Harryproa, using the best methods advanced by
Rob.
On
Sun, May 27, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk
[harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
wrote:















 










Ditto on the sun protection down
here. 









On ‎Sunday‎, ‎27‎ ‎May‎
‎2018‎ ‎03‎:‎44‎:‎20‎ ‎AM‎ ‎AWST, realink@iprimus.com.au
[harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
wrote:






 









trust me, even in Australia you need protection,
but from the sun
I thought I could get away
with it but now I look like a lands rights campaigner
Plan on a bimini at least, but it will be free
of the cabin which would be too low to adjoin to unlike the
larger boats.

As too tiller
and wheel Ive a monohull, and her wheel steer can exert over
800lbs force, She has a wheel because she needs it, a tiller
of the same force would be 22ft long. If you dont need a
wheel tiller arrangements will be cheaper to organise, same
for autopilot which frankly if you are doing it right you
should need a lot. Price autopilot for tiller steer and
wheel steer boats some day. Figure out the weight of an
Edson pedestal, its heavy! If I had a choice I would go for
tiller even if it meant two or three of them, but I dont.

At one time people were
talking about a pop top for boats this size, which seems
ideal. As long as you can stand up to cook, and maybe shower
in some simple arrangement sitting in the cabin while at sea
should be ok. I dont have any dimensions but it looks like
you can stand in the weather hull. Steinar already made some
concessions with more vertical glass, and that probably
makes better use of interior volume too.

At the marina you wont care
about the windage now you can stretch out a bit, and the
height of a pop top is handy.... But a pop top will weigh
more and be a bitch to build. At one time most small boats
were 4'-6" inside. I think at the very least I
would plan on a very large sliding roof hatch, perhaps even
double or more width, then a small dodger with the opening
to lee.

Keep the interior
flexible, cabinet fix the galley head and shower, use an
alcohol stove, you dont have to organise special crap just
places to pass out and places to sit and sponge off the
guests drinks. Unlike sail boats you dont have complicated
shapes to cut out where custom seating is the norm, your
base inside is more or less flat and the sides of the cabin
are regular.. Maybe you already have some pull out sofa
beds, you just might have to be a bit careful about damp
over time.

Protection from
the weather is more complicated. I dont know what
Rob has planned for the decks but if theyre more slatted at
least they
will drain quickly. If Wharram cats are anything to go by,
many of them
ended up with permanent seating positions in more enclosed
areas that
were smaller and better protected with adequate fences and
sometimes a
cuddy. The central space to operate the boat is to lee of
the cabin where it has some protection from sun and wind.
But you can still man a watch from inside the cabin, and
frankly many mono sailors do just that. With todays
electronics you can keep a weather eye on the situation and
besides, you wont survive long out there especially in
Norway and I suspect that colours Steinar's money a
bit.

Really the 40 looks
about the minimum boat to have much in comfort inside and be
a capable safe coastal cruiser, with longer adventures with
some judicious care. Id reckon she depends a lot on being
light weight so that needs some respect.





















































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