I would like to note that all of the things in your your
extended quote are secondary to length being the first
order variable for ride quality. So I, who know nothing,
encourage you to do that first.
The items you left out in the extended quote as being
"secondary" are the most important ones in the context of this
proposed project. You describe length as being the first order
variable, but it is completely 100% "off the table" here.
Longer is better arguments are a total waste of time when longer
is not on the table. Many boats have been and continue to be built
by home builders that are in this size range and smaller.
It really is not worth continuing this unless we can set
"longer" aside. We have a case of the irresistible force meets the
immovable object. You are hung up on longer, and I absolutely
refuse to consider longer. The ONLY useful solutions in this case
are those that fit within my parameters, parameters which you refuse
to accept. This is about my project, not yours. Perhaps we should
discuss your project instead of mine.......... It makes no sense to
interject your length into a discussion involving my project that
will be built within my parameters. It's about as rewarding as
having sex with a lady who continuously complains about the length
of your penis..... It just ain't gonna get any longer!
Do you have a defined criteria for interior space?
When I did the math (costs), it seemed to me that a hull
that added to my interior volume was too expensive for me.
It was much cheaper to increase the bridge deck and make
the hulls finer, longer, lighter, and farther apart.. I
could still use these now skinny hulls for storage.
| In lieu of increasing length to achieve this space,
which is entirely off the table for me, if not for you,
the alternative would seem to be moving the center of
buoyancy forward.
I think this is true for the cats you are looking at,
because they have too much aft buoyancy. I don't think
that it is true from a blank sheet 'properties of boats'
point of view.
I do not have a "defined criteria"..... I'm not sure how one
would define it. Most interior space is just space, and a sense of
space is often just as important as the space itself. There is a
lot more psychology to this than science. Obviously room for
stowage is very important, as is room to cook in the galley without
feeling cramped, and work in the opposite work space, which will be
my shop area without feeling cramped. The head and dressing room
areas, likewise start to feel cramped when dimensions become too
narrow or short. 1M at elbow width, widening upward, is about the
minimum reasonable width sitting on the head for example. 600+ mm
width for the sole in the main areas of the hull cabins, widening
out as the hull widens. The knuckle on Oryx is a design feature I
will copy, not because it provides significantly more real usable
space except some additional counter top which is important in a
galley, but because it creates a significant sense of openness and
space compared to just the normal hull side. I will probably raise
the sole to provide some bilge stowage, as this is where weight
needs to be. The heaviest stuff needs to be as low as possible, and
as central as possible. In the case of the KD 860, that means
between BH3 and BH5 beneath the sole on both sides. Fuel &
water, anchors and chain (when on passage), heavy tools.
I disagree with you about these cats having too much buoyancy
aft. That's really a value judgment, a designer seeking to work
within the same design constraints I'm looking at, and achieve the
best all around result. You can't have everything in a 30' cat, so
as a designer you don't just say "A 30 cat is garbage, I'll build a
50' cat and have everything", you ask "How can do the best within
these parameters". The commercial builders have all but abandoned
catamarans in this size range, largely because there is minimal
profit in them, and buyers want floating condos.
Increasing bridge deck encourages maximizing use of that area, a
larger cabin, and more facilities, etc on the bridge deck. A
cooking island, refrigerator, running water, more furniture, etc.
More weight higher up on the boat. The opposite of a Wharram,
where everything is in the hulls, and the bridge deck is a huge open
expanse of just empty space.
I won't as you implied somewhere, be grafting the cabin from one
boat onto the hulls of another, though I will probably increase the
saloon (BH4 to BH5)length from 1.53m to over 6M, as I expect to
spend considerable time there, and it also increases the space in
the galley, and shop / nav area. I'll probably increase the
distance from BH5 to BH6 even more, making it reasonable to have a
head to starboard, and an aft single berth to port. I'll also
"chop" the front as shown on Bernd's site:
, which
combined with using the knuckle from Oryx and placing ports high,
will provide a better all around view.
from the
bridge deck cabin compared to the standard design with almost no
visibility at all.
.
I'm considering the possibility of a single free standing mast
in the hull instead of on the bridge deck. I hadn't even
considered this just a week ago, but a few weeks ago I hadn't
considered sandwich construction, and not long before that I hadn't
considered building at all. The mast in this case would be stepped
just aft of BH3, more or less in it's original location, but the
boat would be increased in length from 8.6 to 9M.
The big problem with lengthening the boat is that every
dimension changes, and every bulkhead changes, and or moves. The
displacement increases, and the distribution of that displacement
needs to remain the same in relative terms. Everything is flat
sheet, so the shape has to accommodate flat sheet, hence every
bulkhead changing. I'm already playing with this on scale models
using construction paper..... linerboard actually, about the weight
of shoe box material. It is proving interesting, as there
curvature about only one axis, but this combines with twist and
tilt. Beautiful compound curves are actually easier to design than
smooth shapes from flat sheet. It looks far simpler than it is, but
I already knew that ;-(.
H.W.