Subject: Re: [harryproa] Cabins and cockpits again.
From: "Rob Denney harryproa@gmail.com [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 6/5/2018, 6:31 AM
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On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:11 AM, '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 

This is a continuation of my beginning to understand how to layout a harryproa cockpit.

Message 11192 Rob Denny

https://au.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/harryproa/conversations/messages/11192

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Re internal steering and gadgets:
While I personally would not have them on my boat, I don't have a problem with autopilots, mast mounted cameras, electric winches, etc as long as there are suitable back ups when they fail.

I am not a big fan of inside steering in really bad weather, unless the boat is virtually hove to. ie, no chance of being surprised by big winds or waves. My "near gale and sleet" response if cruising would be to drop the sails and go below, plus a drogue or anchor if close to shore. If serious sailing was required (deadline, lee shore, etc), then wet weather gear and outside.
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Rob, very few of your designs have even a Bimini or doger. Steinar's 20m rendering has less cover than a wind surfer. Why so little cover?

​Everybody wants something different, and it is not a critical part of the design.  Fear not, Steinar will be neither cold, wet or sunburnt​.  But neither will he be coccooned from the wind, waves and traffic or unable to see the stars.  


Is Robs idea of weather gear to go out and sail reasonable? I mean, its probably the lightest cheapest option.

The target with cruising harrys is to only require wet weather gear if it was raining.  ie, sheltered helm (inside the cabin, possibly with the doors open) unless there were waves to catch/avoid in which case I would be outside behind a screen/under a (removable) bimini,  all round visibility and the ability to depower and stop the boat to reduce/increase sail.    There are lots of ways to achieve this.  Remind me in a couple of weeks when we are up to date with plans etc and I will ask Steinar to dig out some of them.  


Would not even a minimal boat have a marine radio and AIS and course plotter? Where do those go? What about a compass? Depthfinder?

​Absolutely.  Again, personal choice is involved and everyone wants something different.   Detailing plans to this level takes a lot of time and is gear specific, and then everyone wants to change it round.  We are more than happy to do this, but it costs.  ​


The Ex40 renderings have a box above the nav table. Is that for a radio stack?

​Which rendering?​


I do not know enough to even ask good questions. What questions should I be asking?

​You are doing pretty well.    You will find more questions if you read building and sailing blogs, chat groups and forums.  Focus on the disasters and problems oriented posts rather than the 'my boat is wonderful' ones.   ie Topics with problems or scary in the titles will be more educational than "what is the best boat for crusing offshore?" 
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There are a number of ways to get the boat you want. From taking what the designer gives you with no discussion (usual stock plans approach), through to a set of hull lines and you fit it out and rig it as you like.  What works best for us is if you make a comprehensive list of your requirements, both  general ('good' performance, 'easy' sailing, 'low' cost, etc) and specific (number of bunks, trailerable, payload, etc) and see what fits or can be made to fit.  



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