Subject: Re: [harryproa] Harryproa hull length and shape
From: "StoneTool owly@ttc-cmc.net [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 6/8/2018, 9:12 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Let's be realistic........
    To achieve payload and accommodations comparable to a 30' cat such as I'm looking at building or buying requires a far bigger boat.   Mission is important to consider here.   A 40' HP might be cheaper and faster than a 30' cat, but it doesn't begin fulfill the same mission based on the cutaways I've looked at. 

    Your conclusions will inevitably be different as your priorities do not match mine.   For some people they are the perfect boat, for others, they are not.  I fall squarely in the latter category.   A 30 cat, or a 60' proa......

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On 06/07/2018 10:49 PM, Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk [harryproa] wrote:
 

I would submit that in general, if you can build you hp for say $20,000 and can go out and sail twice as fast as boats that cost similar and only get matched for pace by $100,000 boats then you are the comparitive winner overall.

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On Fri, 8/6/18, '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Subject: Re: [harryproa] Harryproa hull length and shape
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Friday, 8 June, 2018, 11:42 AM


 













| It is hard to say: assuming all other things being equal.
Obviously the hp can have most of its total weight in ww
hull, whereas cat has to keep it 50/50.

|So the argument can't really begin on an even keel.



Doug makes a good point. Perhaps i missed something too,
but it looks like you made the HP a cat, to make it fair.



Also, and this might be a language thing, but we don't
want fair. We want accurate, don't we?



Not that the thought experiment was not great. Thanks for
it, and I am still chewing on it. Neat to see a physical
representation of the vectors.



Rob, a few posts ago, said cats use weight, and hps use
width, which is lighter and cheaper. I think it's fair
to object to normalizing weight and width.



Perhaps add a third boat. A typical, non normalized HP?
Still constrained by the same weight/cost?



To visualize the more realistic comparison?











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