Subject: Re:: Re: Re:: Re: [harryproa] Hull construction materials
From: "Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk [harryproa]"
Date: 6/15/2018, 7:00 AM
To: <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
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Perhaps supply ready made box molds or ready organized kit of infusing including all sundry items.

To be a bit honest, i wouldn't mind a more indepth explanation of the steps involved. This will vary with each designer i guess. Reference books can add to uuour info source.
It is expected that a builder will have gotten enough info from sources like tgd internet already.

But on the other hand hp designs have probably less to learn to be abldd to do them.

I would like to be treated as a bit of an idiot by the designer, so tghat at least i would not miss some of the important things in th e build.

It would depend on what your background was.
Although i have done years now of building with epoxy, glass and so kn i have never infused or vacuumed anything. It was a level of extra effort that was not botherddd with.

That the whole new hp line is based on that it means new learning curves.

It means more detail to organizing and preparing and getting bertterf qualitg materials.
More of a labratory setting to build in that a dusty old boat building shed..

You need to go and enjoy getting dirtg somewhere else.

A question for Rob or anyone:

The molds for a hull, say lw hull , is done full length (10, 12 or 15m for lw hull) or done with two molds of half length and joined after ckming out of molds?

Saves a lot of space.
But you would need 2 molds made, mirror jmage, and they woukd need to be close copies as must meet at joins.
Seems like one mold piece if space available would be much simpler.

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On Fri, 15/6/18, realink@iprimus.com.au [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Subject: Re:: Re: Re:: Re: [harryproa] Hull construction materials
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Friday, 15 June, 2018, 6:38 PM


 









>
Perhaps
this is bad news for the plan selling, but overall the
popularity would
mean that HP's or at least their style would become a
lot more common
than just mid to large size cruisers.

The plans
business is a very tough one, unless the boat has important
crossovers
from other designs there is potentially a 1000 hours of work
that
wont ever be paid for unless the design is successful.
Mainstream
designers like Bruce Roberts, Jay Benford and Glen L Witt
have been very successful at
this, and others less mainstream like Ian Farrier with the
original TrailerTri 6.7. I wonder how many of those he
sold.

I
think often there are people that think they can do better,
or build
for less by not having other than a tablecloth design, but
realy theyre
cheating themselves. Chances are good they will end up with
less of a
boat, and one that wont be worth anything when its time to
sell it and
move on.

Designers
themselves usually are not good at marketing,
they either make a name for themselves by some scheme or by
reputation,
or their work withers on the vine. They dont look at value
adding
schemes unless they get an offer from a builder, which is
why I think
this is a unique proposition, Making the basic materials
means several
things to the buyer. They get the design and a fast track to
building
which avoids probably to them the scariest part of entering
into
building the boat.

Everyone recognises the readiness of the
plywood design,
people like Woods collect on that. But he has to fight the
poor
reputation which is the history of plywood boats, and its
deficits
against cored designer materials. If you read his stuff you
see that
message flow through his marketing.

Offering the basis of a kit
divides the designers work, but it gives him access to a
wider market
despite its downsides. Until eventually the testimonies roll
in from
people claiming 'I built this boat in just 24 hours, Im
mentally
incapacitated, and I only have one arm.'

The idea isnt perfect but it
has its attractions.









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