Hi glad,

I can recommend building and sailing an El. The sport version without the cruising ww hull, see photos of Rob's and one other is a real blast to sail. I had one or two goes with Rob when he lived in Perth and it was flying a hull and staying up on one hull very easily. No great sailing skill needed to learn. Even if your plans are bigger and longer term type of cruising, having fun and practicing/learning on the small sport version is worthwhile.

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On Tue, 19/6/18, gladius_12345@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Subject: [harryproa] Questions on Elementary and Ex40
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Tuesday, 19 June, 2018, 7:22 AM


 









Like many others posting
here, I pretty much decided that multihull is the better way
for me.  If anyone is interested in the whys-fors of what I
looked through / considered, then feel free to ask, else I
will not bore the list.  So far I have ended up narrowing
it down my 'first round draft picks' to Bernd Kohler
(cat, eco 6 to start) and Rob (proa).
End game for me is to
consider the idea of live aboard/cruising as possible life
choice.  But it will be a gradual gearing downing though. 
I imagine there would even be some years marina bound for
internet use for work while I built up more of a cruising
kitty / cushion, so that is a thing.  In any event I am
making beginning moves in that direction now.  I joined up
with a local boat builders group, and even went sailing for
the first time last Saturday.  I consider it a rousing
success in that I tacked and gybed, all while managing the
tiller and the sail for a few hours - and no one got thunked
in the head, nor did anyone end up cast into the drink. 
Yay me.
Now building will be a new
to me, I am not exactly handy (yet), but am not completely
inept either if I set my mind to something.  Still, the
idea of building a largish live aboard from the get go seems
a bit of a stretch.  Instead, a smaller day sailor or
tender seems more in order as a way to build up the skills
(and minimize the costs of oopsies) needed to tackle
something more complex.  Also, it will produce results in a
faster time that can then be used while something else is
being built.   Keep in mind I need to learn a lot besides
the building itself - like sailing.  So, this makes sense
to me at least, even if it adds a year to the overall build
time.    
So desirable wants for the
first boat beyond normal harry stuff?
1) Can carry a few (2-5)
folks for day sailing / fishing plus say two coolers, two
anchors and chain, a small electric outboard / trolling
motor and its’ battery(es). 
2) Trailerable <= 10’
width.  <= 8’6” is ideal as nothing special is
needed, but in most of the states that matter to me 10’ is
just a fairly cheap permit added on (and of course dealing
with maneuvering that extra width)
3) Reasonably fastish setup
and pack away for re-trailering.  One person can do it with
a bit of practice hopefully. 
4) Design can be modified
to be built in (ideally) one side of a two car garage Say
21’ by 8’.  Final assembly / painting can be
outside/elsewhere, but most of the work needs to be done in
the smaller area.  
5) Single handable in a
case something goes wrong, or I feel like solo
sailing.
6) Will undoubtedly need
after sale support.  Ok, so not really a ‘boat thing’
but important none the less.
7) Relatively cheap and easy to
build
This gives some questions
on Elementary and Ex40.  I will start with the El since
that seems the better first boat fit for now, and leave the
ex40 questions for later posts if needed.
>> Elementary.   
 
1) It seems like an older
design versus the ex40/Air/Cruiser series.  Is there an
updated version, or would that not make much difference in
build time, performance and costs?   Example, I think that
the elementary is telescoping versus the newer ‘horizontal
folding arm’ version of the Air/Ex?   Or, the more
rounded looking versus the newer more squared off look -
presumably for easier building, etc.
2) I am interested in
hearing about (and using) the wing sail results as well as
new rudders. Would def consider these.
3) Is
there a ballpark sail away materials costs (or at least mat
list) and build time estimate?  I will assume to add about
20% to that time given I am a newb.  To make things easy
assume the schooner rig since that is probably more
known.
4) Dimensions.  Approx
weight?  Payload?  Folded width on a trailer? Mast
height?   
5) How do you set up /
lower the mast?  Can one person do it?   Overall ballpark
setup / take down time?

Comments /
Thoughts?
 









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