Stonetool,
Perhaps you could just post on-topic items. The discussions on core materials, glass vs. ply, and other items have the possibility of enlightening everyone, either through new information or through the process of debate.
I personally no longer need to hear about Sagitta, Eclipse, or your reasoning for going with a heavier catamaran with a very different design spiral.
If you want a ply cat, that's what you want, and I celebrate the choice. That's just the part of the discussion that stopped being useful in a proa group a while ago. I'd also be happy to skip reading about the knuckle in the future.
(Of course, people will always ask why not build a longer, lighter wtw proa with an unstayed rig; that's just something one would have to expect in a harryproa group.)
That said, you and eruttan have created more discussion and life in this group than we've seen for a long time, so there's a lot of value to be had as long as people are civil and on-topic.
- Mike
---In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, <owly@...> wrote :
Rob:
Obviously I'm no longer really welcome here. I've become an annoyance to you and others. For that I apologize. I think it was clear from the outset that I was not going to be an HP builder. There is no doubt in my mind that construction of the boat I have in mind will not be the fast easy project that a boat designed and built for & by intelligent infusion is.
I appreciate what I have learned from you and your designs, and as I have said before I have a deep appreciating and respect for the kind of innovative and outside the box thinking your work shows. There is not however a 40 or 50 foot boat in my future. The Eclipse hulls I'm considering will be built with the LOA an LWL being equal at 9.45M, not the usual 9.9 LOA, 9.45 LWL. Not where I want to be, but I can't have everything can I.
Again, I apologize for being an aggravation and an annoyance, and for using this group for my own purposes, not related to it's intended purpose. There really is no further purpose in my participating actively here.
H.W.
On 09/03/2018 11:55 PM, Rob Denney harryproa@... [harryproa] wrote:
Obviously I'm no longer really welcome here. I've become an annoyance to you and others. For that I apologize. I think it was clear from the outset that I was not going to be an HP builder. There is no doubt in my mind that construction of the boat I have in mind will not be the fast easy project that a boat designed and built for & by intelligent infusion is.
I appreciate what I have learned from you and your designs, and as I have said before I have a deep appreciating and respect for the kind of innovative and outside the box thinking your work shows. There is not however a 40 or 50 foot boat in my future. The Eclipse hulls I'm considering will be built with the LOA an LWL being equal at 9.45M, not the usual 9.9 LOA, 9.45 LWL. Not where I want to be, but I can't have everything can I.
Again, I apologize for being an aggravation and an annoyance, and for using this group for my own purposes, not related to it's intended purpose. There really is no further purpose in my participating actively here.
H.W.
On 09/03/2018 11:55 PM, Rob Denney harryproa@... [harryproa] wrote:
Owly,You are going to build a boat using techniques which are as difficult as they could possibly be, and use almost twice the materials that you need.The hulls and decks are a huge part of the work. It only seems like a small part of the overall because fitting interiors to and filling, fairing and painting such complicated shapes is difficult, fiddly, expensive and time consuming.Your choice of boat is equally unfathomable, given the criteria you listed, all of which were removed from the list if they didn't work with a 30' (now 33') cat.I wish you luck, but, based on 40 years of building, designing and sailing 100's of different cats and proas, i am pretty sure you will be disappointed with the performance, the build time and cos, the payload and the completed weight. I hope, for the sake of your health, wealth and time that you find a second hand boat that will do the job before you commit to building one.You are welcome to hang around here and see if you can pick up any tips on building smarter, as I know you are honest and would not use anything you glean without offering to pay for it. However, I must ask you to stop trying to tell us that techniques, shapes, materials and boats will work when so many of us have told you, supported by numbers and facts, that they won't. Thanks.rob
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